Suggestion Changes to transportation

[Mesalon]

Right now movement within continents is very imbalanced, and needs fixing. I've made a list of suggestions that could help.

Nerf ice boats 3x speed
If you put a boat on blue ice and go on it, it'll launch you at speeds up to 80 blocks/second, this is way too fast for something that takes only a 2x2 tunnel and an abundant resource. I think that about 25 bps is a fair speed for such a cheap road.

Buff rails 5x speed
As opposed to ice, railways are hard to make, both resource and time wise. For something that's so expensive and hard to build 8 block/second is too slow, While 40 bps would be fast but not stupid fast like ice is.
But mesa that would break redstone contraptions- Then make it so it only speeds up the cart when a player is in it, or disable it for carts with chests/hoppers

Make the Elytra a lot harder to obtain
For something that has a top speed of 90 bps, making it the best method of transport, the Elytra is too easy to obtain. For example Casphrr got his only four days after joining. You shouldn't be able to get the fastest way to travel in under a week for the same reason new players shouldn't be able to get nether stars. Too powerful for too easy.

If you dont agree with any of this please just +1 on the rail buff, i think railways and metros would be a cool addition to Loka.

 

[FoxyBearGames]

Id be for the rail buff, it would be nice to see them used. I would just make them much cheaper though, not necessarily faster. Maybe just 2x speed? And make it only if you hold W.

 

[Mesalon]

Id be for the rail buff, it would be nice to see them used. I would just make them much cheaper though, not necessarily faster. Maybe just 2x speed? And make it only if you hold W.

That's kinda a big part of it, you cant afk on a boat but you can afk on a minecart.
And the point is that X is dirt cheap to build and almost 15x better than Y, which is time consuming and expensive, so Y should be buffed proportionately and X should be nerfed to avoid things getting out of hand.
A minor cost reduction wouldn't hurt but a big one would defeat the purpose.

 

[GeekyKidGamer]

Right now movement within continents is very imbalanced, and needs fixing. I've made a list of suggestions that could help.

Nerf ice boats 3x speed
If you put a boat on blue ice and go on it, it'll launch you at speeds up to 80 blocks/second, this is way too fast for something that takes only a 2x2 tunnel and an abundant resource. I think that about 25 bps is a fair speed for such a cheap road.

Buff rails 5x speed
As opposed to ice, railways are hard to make, both resource and time wise. For something that's so expensive and hard to build 8 block/second is too slow, While 40 bps would be fast but not stupid fast like ice is.
But mesa that would break redstone contraptions- Then make it so it only speeds up the cart when a player is in it, or disable it for carts with chests/hoppers

Make the Elytra a lot harder to obtain
For something that has a top speed of 90 bps, making it the best method of transport, the Elytra is too easy to obtain. For example Casphrr got his only four days after joining. You shouldn't be able to get the fastest way to travel in under a week for the same reason new players shouldn't be able to get nether stars. Too powerful for too easy.

If you dont agree with any of this please just +1 on the rail buff, i think railways and metros would be a cool addition to Loka.

all of these are horrible ideas. People have spent days, months, and years building ice rails, grinding elytra's, and most importantly crafting then burning rails *thanks for removing that bug crypt* anyways, there's no necessity in needing to debuff these, since most players already have these built, just go get ice from the shop or ask Stromgarde to fund you ice! -1

 

[Mesalon]

"all of these are horrible ideas. People have spent days, months, and years building ice rails, grinding elytras"
And? Nobody has ever spent more than days building ice roads, elytras are still there nor am i suggesting to nerf them, they're simply harder to get.

"since most players already have these built, just go get ice from the shop or ask Stromgarde to fund you ice! -1"
Lack of ice isn't the problem, an abundance of it is. My point was that ice roads are too rewarding for something so easy to build, while the more expensive counterpart is much worse.

Tell me, why should something that's 14x easier to make be 14x better than something that takes more time and effort?

 

[FoxyBearGames]

"all of these are horrible ideas. People have spent days, months, and years building ice rails, grinding elytras"
And? Nobody has ever spent more than days building ice roads, elytras are still there nor am i suggesting to nerf them, they're simply harder to get.

"since most players already have these built, just go get ice from the shop or ask Stromgarde to fund you ice! -1"
Lack of ice isn't the problem, an abundance of it is. My point was that ice roads are too rewarding for something so easy to build, while the more expensive counterpart is much worse.

Tell me, why should something that's 14x easier to make be 14x better than something that takes more time and effort?

At this point this is more of a Mojang thing. Rails are bad in Minecraft and I guess we have to accept that. Ice boats shouldn't even be in the game, they're a huge bug that will never properly be fixed.

 

[SilentStormSix]

And? Nobody has ever spent more than days building ice roads

Im not sure about that one

 

[brandonzx3]

Nerf ice boats 3x speed

How would you change a client side value??

 

[TheFreshLemon]

I think that about 25 bps is a fair speed for such a cheap road.

-1 First of all ice isn't "cheap" since it's a restricted resource while gold, iron, and sticks are not, therefore, limiting the length of these iceways. So it's not "cheap" if you have to fight for them or find someone who is going to sell it overpriced.

As for your elytra point, no. There's no reason to nerf these since they're not that OP anyway.
1. Risk of dying in the end while going or killing the dragon
2. Price on rockets
3. Not being able to fly everywhere like towns and through other people's territory or the policy that makes it so no one can fly on the continent.
4. Not all that fast to travel.

 

[LostProperty]

As you said it only takes a day. That took us 5 days with 5 people. Many people have spent weeks/months on ice roads. Ive talked to many people who have built them and its not as easy as just a day thing. You would ether need to grind the ice Or buy it. Ether or takes time. If its buying you need to get the money which is a lot.


For the rails im not to sure if its needed, I dont really understand why iceboats shouldn't be a thing?

And for elytras lemon had a good point, Its really expensive traveling and risky. You hit one radar and you can lose your stuff

 

[Mesalon]

At this point this is more of a Mojang thing. Rails are bad in Minecraft and I guess we have to accept that. Ice boats shouldn't even be in the game, they're a huge bug that will never properly be fixed.

That's the exact problem this suggestion is addressing. Mojang made a super imbalanced mechanic and it should be fixed like any other bad mojang mechanic that's been fixed on the server (i.e. 33% damage change)

 

[Mesalon]

Im not sure about that one

More than days, as in nobody has spent weeks, or months, let alone years, making ice roads.

 

[Mesalon]

-1 First of all ice isn't "cheap" since it's a restricted resource while gold, iron, and sticks are not, therefore, limiting the length of these iceways. So it's not "cheap" if you have to fight for them or find someone who is going to sell it overpriced.

As for your elytra point, no. There's no reason to nerf these since they're not that OP anyway.
1. Risk of dying in the end while going or killing the dragon
2. Price on rockets
3. Not being able to fly everywhere like towns and through other people's territory or the policy that makes it so no one can fly on the continent.
4. Not all that fast to travel.

Never suggested nerfing Elytra, never would. I only suggested making it harder to obtain as getting the best transport item in the game in under a week of playing is simply ridiculous.

 

[Mesalon]

How would you change a client side value??

You don't, you only change the server's interpretation of that value.

 

[SilentStormSix]

More than days, as in nobody has spent weeks, or months, let alone years, making ice roads.

but I have

 

[Evil_X]

If it's possible I'd love to see a town perk or just a town feature where rails go 2 or 3 times faster. It'd be awesome if a viable method of travelling around town was some form of rail network. I love any excuse to build unnecessarily large rail systems. Would be even better if it was a global change
Right now for all the iron, gold and effort rails are abysmally slow.

The fact I can farm 10 elytra in an hour as long as I've collected the ghast tears is dumb. I'm more concerned about losing a piece of god armour or a god tool over an elytra. When the day comes that the end gets more loved it'd be great to see maybe loot bundles and there's only a certain chance the dragon gives the wings in the bundle. Or even an area exclusively used for obtaining the wings of the dragon.

While I hate the ice boat method and think it's dumb that it is more viable than using minecarts for the time you gotta put into making an ice path its an insult to the grind to change their speed.


Overall a lot of this stuff Mojang needs to pay attention and change themselves. But for the time being #MakeTheRailwayGreatAgain

 

[FoxyBearGames]

That's the exact problem this suggestion is addressing. Mojang made a super imbalanced mechanic and it should be fixed like any other bad mojang mechanic that's been fixed on the server (i.e. 33% damage change)

This mechanic just isn't something Loka needs to change. It's something most servers never touch. I get that it changes Elytra obtaining, damage boost, etc. But this just isn't something that needs to be fixed. And, frankly, it's something you cannot change without unnecessary lag.

 

[TheFreshLemon]

Never suggested nerfing Elytra, never would. I only suggested making it harder to obtain as getting the best transport item in the game in under a week of playing is simply ridiculous.

Make the Elytra a lot harder to obtain
For something that has a top speed of 90 bps, making it the best method of transport, the Elytra is too easy to obtain. For example Casphrr got his only four days after joining. You shouldn't be able to get the fastest way to travel in under a week for the same reason new players shouldn't be able to get nether stars. Too powerful for too easy.

It's not the fastest as I said in my other post, especially on Loka. Having to travel through rough terrain (ice mountains & Jungle when you can't fly above 255), hitting others people's territory, hitting towns, or capital's having oppressive flight so only their alliance can fly on that continent.

 

[Mesalon]

It's not the fastest as I said in my other post, especially on Loka. Having to travel through rough terrain (ice mountains & Jungle when you can't fly above 255), hitting others people's territory, hitting towns, or capital's having oppressive flight so only their alliance can fly on that continent.

alright

 

[FroggyFruit1357]

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As you said it only takes a day. That took us 5 days with 5 people. Many people have spent weeks/months on ice roads. Ive talked to many people who have built them and its not as easy as just a day thing. You would ether need to grind the ice Or buy it. Ether or takes time. If its buying you need to get the money which is a lot.


For the rails im not to sure if its needed, I dont really understand why iceboats shouldn't be a thing?

And for elytras lemon had a good point, Its really expensive traveling and risky. You hit one radar and you can lose your stuff

bro just exposed the transcontinental fruit road..