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Suggestion LokaMC Should Further Clarify Its Standpoint on Regedits and Modifying Latency

mimo4

Well-Known Member
Slicer
HELLO LOKAMC! I come to you today with a series of questions I have had on my mind for quite some time now. I hope this thread can open up discussions on this topic so that we can eventually see full clarification on what is truly allowed and not allowed on Loka. For starters, Lokamc has been (in my opinion) super vague on where it stands on regedits. Loka staff will tell you that anything external that gives you an advantage over other players is not allowed. However, you will also see staff members and admins tell you that regedits do not have any real effect. I was pretty shocked when I heard people talking about how regedits do not have any effect, as from personal experience, fighting players who openly use regedits and ones who I am fairly certain do not, I can see some differences even when accounting for things such as location etc. I think Loka really needs to clarify where it stands here, and revise their current standpoint of regedits having no effect. The second thing I want to talk about is modifying your PCs actual latency to "gain" an advantage over other players. This can be done in numerous ways (regedits also modify latency). There is a program people use on many other servers (it is allowed on said servers) that lets you reduce input delay and optimize response times.

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(The program essentially lets you minimize latency and input delay which should in theory give you an advantage over other players. It looks something like this. It (like regedits) is pretty common in many pvp communities, both 1.8 and 1.9+.)


There are also some settings you can change to optimize latency and reduce input delay without using any external programs. For example:
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(This is a NVIDIA GPU setting that anybody with a NVIDIA GPU can change without using any external program. I am mentioning both of these to show you can modify these things with or without external programs.)

I personally messaged Cryptite (server admin) asking about this and he said:
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(Here Cryptite says that 1. Both modifying your latency and regedits have no effect, which I guess implies its allowed...? And 2. That if its an internal modification then it should be no problem. However, I want to note that modifying your debounce time, something that most people with a modern mouse can do, and is an internal function of most gaming mice, is not allowed. This makes me pretty confused. If regedits and input delay optimization "wouldnt actually do anything", does that mean a player caught with these in say, a screenshare, wont face any penalty? This why I think this needs to be cleared up. Where the server rules stand on these things is just too unclear.)

The clarification on the rules of macroing and banning both all forms of macros as well as any modifying of mouse debounce time is in my opinion a step in the right direction, as macros should have been disallowed long ago and it finally cleared up something. I hope we can have a discussion on these things and hopefully even get an announcement like that of the macro announcement to fully clarify where Loka stands on these issues.

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(I made this forum post since Cryptite encouraged me to so people can voice their opinions and thoughts on this stuff)

Do you think regedits should be allowed?

Do you think modifying latency and input delay should be allowed?

Do you think these even make a difference at all?


discuss and argue nerds
 

Asynchronized

Well-Known Member
Sentry
There is a grey line between optimizing your pc for less latency hardware/software wise and optimizing it for better (or worse) network latency.

These two settings just impact fps and input latency. Nothing network-related. IMO : Something is only a "regedit" if it's doing stuff to network connectivity, otherwise you're just optimizing your pc.
 
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Deleted member 1854

Guest
It depends on the kind of regedit you install. I know a place where you can buy custom regedits that are not ‘just a placebo’ and actually reduce your kb by its optimized connection. Some regedits only help you optimize your pc. Also just to warn you guys regedits may fuck up your pc so don’t install if they’re untrusted. I do not believe u should install one anyway though.
 

Ludwig_H

Member
1. Regedits are just clickbaits made by youtubers they do jack shit (If you're talking about things that increase your ping, they are not regedits)

2. If optimizing input lag should be bannable, so should FPS optimization, etc it doesnt make sense

3. Debounce timer thing can't even be a controversy, it's 1.9 PvP
 

mimo4

Well-Known Member
Slicer
1. Regedits are just clickbaits made by youtubers they do jack shit (If you're talking about things that increase your ping, they are not regedits)

2. If optimizing input lag should be bannable, so should FPS optimization, etc it doesnt make sense

3. Debounce timer thing can't even be a controversy, it's 1.9 PvP
debounce time has come into play mainly because of how it effects refill speed. you can refill pretty quick if you do it right and click fast, and reducing modifying debounce time help you do that.
 

mimo4

Well-Known Member
Slicer
debounce time has come into play mainly because of how it effects refill speed. you can refill pretty quick if you do it right and click fast, and reducing modifying debounce time help you do that.
(this is why loka has decided to ban it though i personally do not know how i feel about that. i 100 percent agree with the ban on macros though)
 

Ludwig_H

Member
debounce time has come into play mainly because of how it effects refill speed. you can refill pretty quick if you do it right and click fast, and reducing modifying debounce time help you do that.
Idk if you're saying this after actually trying it. I promise it's not worth.
 

mimo4

Well-Known Member
Slicer
Idk if you're saying this after actually trying it. I promise it's not worth.
...? i am just saying why they chose to ban it. i havent tried it and i do not plan on doing so. im just saying what i have heard about that
 

Ludwig_H

Member
...? i am just saying why they chose to ban it. i havent tried it and i do not plan on doing so. im just saying what i have heard about that
well anyways I think auto click and double click refilling is a good move, clicking fast =/= fast and accurate refill. They should stay banned tho
 

mimo4

Well-Known Member
Slicer
although some regedits do exist, but regedits are more of a 1.8 pvp type thing
from my experience they can for sure have an effect in 1.9 pvp. people use these to get delayed hits and make their kb odd.
 

Dqrwiin

Member
Slicer
Personally I dont think any of these should be allowed since Loka staff forbid macros and some spanish community players think like me so, even though I barely have knowlodge about how regedits etc. actually work, I think they should be prohibited
 

Dae_

Well-Known Member
Muted
Idk if you're saying this after actually trying it. I promise it's not worth.
Decreasing your debounce time to 0ms will make your refills incredibly fast, moving your mouse to the pots really isn't hard at all. It's more than definitely worth it and should stay banned tbf
 

Magpieman

Old One
Staff member
Old One
Regedits are indeed a scam. If you look into what they are and what they do, you will find they cannot improve anything. On top of this, your system registry is very sensitive and you can cause serious problems to your PC, so is a pretty stupid thing to do. There are some very predatory websites out there that claim to sell regedits. Some of these will do nothing, others will literally install mods/hacks to trick you into thinking they do something. It is a giant placebo effect, and people are taking advantage of gullible children to make money.

In Minecraft versions of 1.7.10 and earlier, it did have an effect but this is automatically disabled in 1.8 onwards. This was due to Minecraft using Nagle's Algorithm which helped optimize TCP packets. This could be disabled by editing your registry but this algorithm no longer exists client or server-side so you can no longer gain any advantage this way.

Here is some further information about it: https://www.munchymc.com/forums/t/regedit-and-how-it-works/3317
 
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