Ronshaud for Slicer

[Jedoi]

Okay. Ronshaud.... This one is difficult because if you look a few posts down, I also nominated him there. But he couldn't because of the sister-griefing-on-his-account incident. Well, Ron has played for a little less then a year, he's been so incredibly helpful to Dellsmite, Blackwater, Citanih, and just so many people, from new players joining to new cities being founded. He's been a founder for four cities. He's quite active, and he really deserves to be a Slicer.

And here, his sister stole from Psy on her account and gave the items to her brother, without his knowledge. I talked to him, and he was really, really mad at his sister.... Like, I'm in drama so I know it wasn't acting. (We're taught how to recognize acting, especially in people we knew well). He also said he changed his password so his sister can't get on. I believe the items were returned, weren't they?

He really should be a Slicer.

 

[Leasaur]

+1 Ron is a regular of Loka, and he deserves the promotion.
Good to hear he changed his password

 

[adderman500]

Good guy, +1

 

[hyhu]

Ronshaud has been a player on loka for several months now. While he is active, talks to others and is active on the forums, he is incredibly sketchy.
As mentioned above, he griefed a town and then blamed it on his sister (which I'll get into in a bit), claimed to have lost diamond armor and some other items during a server restart and demanded them back (think this case has happened more than once actually), that fiasco with his sister joining psy's town and stealing diamond blocks and other items from him, then giving the items to Ron's account and friends of dellsmite, and broke this rule 15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it. during a raid when he let us into the homes of several dellsmiters and into Lazuli's vault(which took a big hit). I'm also not sure of that fact that his sister is really the one behind some of the drama here, looking back at a conversation with Fat, it's possible that Ronshaud has access to his "sister's" account, and tries to get away with a couple of things with it.
[20:25:09 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Well the other day he asked for coming in my town to visit, asked a couple times
[20:25:26 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] And his "sister" account logged in and pestered me to visit my town
[20:25:39 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Like ... begged

Anyways, I'm not really sure if this disqualifies Ron from becoming a slicer. However, seeing that Jedi is the one who didn't want me to become slicer due to me handing out golden stickers, it seems fair that we shouldn't overlook everything Ron has done.

 

[Jedoi]

I only said you should stop that before becoming a slicer. I never said you shouldn't ever become one.

 

[Artagan]

Ronshaud has been a player on loka for several months now. While he is active, talks to others and is active on the forums, he is incredibly sketchy.
As mentioned above, he griefed a town and then blamed it on his sister (which I'll get into in a bit), claimed to have lost diamond armor and some other items during a server restart and demanded them back (think this case has happened more than once actually), that fiasco with his sister joining psy's town and stealing diamond blocks and other items from him, then giving the items to Ron's account and friends of dellsmite, and broke this rule 15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it. during a raid when he let us into the homes of several dellsmiters and into Lazuli's vault(which took a big hit). I'm also not sure of that fact that his sister is really the one behind some of the drama here, looking back at a conversation with Fat, it's possible that Ronshaud has access to his "sister's" account, and tries to get away with a couple of things with it.
[20:25:09 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Well the other day he asked for coming in my town to visit, asked a couple times
[20:25:26 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] And his "sister" account logged in and pestered me to visit my town
[20:25:39 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Like ... begged

Crypt has overlooked people's past offenses before when considering their nomination to Slicer, choosing instead to focus on their activity and overall contribution to the server. For example, godemox was promoted to slicer awhile back, and he was banned for hacking on a previous account (Olixfire). If it happened ages ago and the person is active and participating, it doesn't matter.

I think you know this:

Anyways, I'm not really sure if this disqualifies Ron from becoming a slicer.

And that you've voiced your opposition to Ron and Dark's nominations for another reason:

However, seeing that Jedi is the one who didn't want me to become slicer due to me handing out golden stickers, it seems fair that we shouldn't overlook everything Ron has done.

 

[hyhu]

And that you've voiced your opposition to Ron and Dark's nominations for another reason:

I've said my reason for my opposition to Dark, and both oppositions are stark different. Unlike most of dellsmite's opposition for me becoming a slicer, it wasn't because they are from a certain town (and in my case because I raided them a ton of times lel), thing with Ronshaud is that he didn't just have the one incident, he's had more, and like I said is an incredibly sketchy player regarding this sister account.

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However, seeing that Jedi is the one who didn't want me to become slicer due to me handing out golden stickers, it seems fair that we shouldn't overlook everything Ron has done.

>tfw I got slicer and still am handing out golden sticker

 

[Artagan]

thing with Ronshaud is that he didn't just have the one incident, he's had more, and like I said is an incredibly sketchy player regarding this sister account.

See:

Crypt has overlooked people's past offenses before when considering their nomination to Slicer, choosing instead to focus on their activity and overall contribution to the server. For example, godemox was promoted to slicer awhile back, and he was banned for hacking on a previous account (Olixfire). If it happened ages ago and the person is active and participating, it doesn't matter.

Also, in response to:

Unlike most of dellsmite's opposition for me becoming a slicer, it wasn't because they are from a certain town (and in my case because I raided them a ton of times lel)

Let's take a look at the comments made by various dellsmiters on your Slicer nomination thread.

Sure, +1 from me

Lol

Well, if someone would get her to stop encouraging rule-breakers, I suppose. She's been "giving people gold stars" when they swear. She needs to stop that, or I don't think it'd be the best idea to give her Slicer.

Slicers shouldn't be encouraging rule breakers, no one should. Yes, she may be popular, (I will say not all popular people deserve to be, from personal experience), but they shouldn't try to get people to break rules. Secondly, I do do my job. You don't know this, but my real life is being affected as a Sentry... People I know irl getting mad at me for warning them on the server, and spreading rumors that I'm no fun. Dellsmite gets mad at me for being "No fun" a lot too. As for that thing that happened earlier, I had no part in it. It was purely Anna, Steel, and Dark. In fact, when they started using bad language, I actually warned them.

If you don't think I am doing my job, what should I be doing differently? Tell me your wonderful insight on this job, that I am doing my best on, since you obviously think otherwise.

Pard you are not making a good arugment for yourself. You are trying to pick up a fight with people who see the rules like the 10 commandments. Loka's rules are almost loop whole free, still doesn't mean we need to challenge them or find the loop wholes.

No, this isn't about what is happening to me as a sentry, I love being a sentry, being called "no fun", aside. This is about hyhu. But you did say I didn't do my job.. Is this true, am I missing something?

Also, I don't make my bed nor sleep in it. You assumed.

Why fixes she even deserve slicer. She hasn't been on the serve half as long as other more, what's the word I want, deserving players (not mentioning names). Players who have been on the serve much longer and left a much more desired le impression on the server other ten being self centred and hateful.

Floor, actually.

I do fallow the rules, and I enforce them when I or others see fit. I would not count using spicy language intended for town chat a a massive rule break where I need to be wipped for it in the town square. I don't challenge the rules, or try to find ways around them. I certainly do not encourage others to break them.

Just saying, I have been called a whole lot worse on another server by a Skydoesminecraft wanna be when I called his bluff about not being the real sky. If I can get over that, I can deal with me not being your favourite it person in the world. I won't loose sleep on hyhu not being slicer since I believe she doesn't deserve it nor is she ready for it.

Whether or not how she views the giving if the gold star it can still be taken as encouragement to rule breaking. Encouraging rule breaking is the unwritten rule of Loka, like the unwritten rule in the Hunger Games NOT to cannibalize fallen tributes.

Things I see in that mess:

1. Lea supporting you.
2. Jedi laughing.
3. Jedi having a problem with you becoming a slicer because of you giving out gold stars.
4. Jedi's argument with Pard.
5. Laz joining in.
6. Laz saying you don't deserve slicer because you haven't been on the server long enough, and that you're not "deserving".
7. Laz calling you self centered and hateful.
8. Jedi saying she sleeps on the floor.
9. More evidence that Laz is a bad sentry.
10. Laz taking Psy's bait.

Things I don't see in that mess:

1. Anything about what town you're from/in.
2. Anything about you raiding dellsmite.

Unlike most of dellsmite's opposition for me becoming a slicer, it wasn't because they are from a certain town (and in my case because I raided them a ton of times lel)

 

[hyhu]

Things I don't see in that mess:

1. Anything about what town you're from/in.
2. Anything about you raiding dellsmite.

See:

Unlike most of dellsmite's opposition for me becoming a slicer, it wasn't because they are from a certain town (and in my case because I raided them a ton of times lel),

Yes, she may be popular, (I will say not all popular people deserve to be, from personal experience)

Why fixes she even deserve slicer. She hasn't been on the serve half as long as other more, what's the word I want, deserving players (not mentioning names).

1) I was referring to you implying I opposed Dark and Ron becoming slicer because they are in Dellsmite. See how I used parenthesis and said "In my case"? That was referring to me, and is explained a bit in 2).

2) I became popular due to raiding, and most of those raids occurred in Dellsmite, hence the back lash from jedi saying I was popular for the wrong reasons and Laz saying I didn't deserve to be slicer, even though I had in fact been on the server as long as the others she was approving to be slicer, and that I wasn't a "deserving player". Those comments were the direct result of me raiding and taunting.

 

[Artagan]

Side note, I like how you've ignored my response to your argument against Ron being promoted twice now, in favor of talking about your reasons for arguing it, and the dellsmiter's reasons for arguing against your nomination. Bravo.

Now let's get back to it.

1) I was referring to you implying I opposed Dark and Ron becoming slicer because they are in Dellsmite. See how I used parenthesis and said "In my case"? That was referring to me, and is explained a bit in 2).

In your first post, you said yourself that you didn't actually know whether Ron's history would have any bearing on him being promoted, and that you were pointing it out simply because Jedi was the one who didn't want you to become slicer due to you handing out golden stickers. Your words, not mine. If that doesn't pretty brazenly say that you opposed his nomination because he was associated with Jedi, I don't know what possibly could.

2) I became popular due to raiding, and most of those raids occurred in Dellsmite, hence the back lash from jedi saying I was popular for the wrong reasons and Laz saying I didn't deserve to be slicer, even though I had in fact been on the server as long as the others she was approving to be slicer, and that I wasn't a "deserving player". Those comments were the direct result of me raiding and taunting.

Let me see if I've got this right. Jedi said that you didn't deserve to be popular. You associate your popularity with raiding, so you viewed that as a criticism of you raiding people, specifically Dellsmite since it was Jedi saying it. Laz said you didn't deserve to be slicer because you hadn't been around long enough, and that you weren't "deserving". You again saw that as "a direct result of you raiding and taunting". Those two things together were enough for you to get the impression that Jedi and Laz were motivated by their butthurt over you raiding them to oppose your application entirely, despite all that talk about gold stars.

 

[hyhu]

Side note, I like how you've ignored my response to your argument against Ron being promoted twice now, in favor of talking about your reasons for arguing it, and the dellsmiter's reasons for arguing against your nomination. Bravo.

My argument against Ronshaud has already been made, since you want me to copy pastarino it so bad,
Here you go:

Ronshaud has been a player on loka for several months now. While he is active, talks to others and is active on the forums, he is incredibly sketchy.
As mentioned above, he griefed a town and then blamed it on his sister (which I'll get into in a bit), claimed to have lost diamond armor and some other items during a server restart and demanded them back (think this case has happened more than once actually), that fiasco with his sister joining psy's town and stealing diamond blocks and other items from him, then giving the items to Ron's account and friends of dellsmite, and broke this rule 15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it. during a raid when he let us into the homes of several dellsmiters and into Lazuli's vault(which took a big hit). I'm also not sure of that fact that his sister is really the one behind some of the drama here, looking back at a conversation with Fat, it's possible that Ronshaud has access to his "sister's" account, and tries to get away with a couple of things with it.
[20:25:09 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Well the other day he asked for coming in my town to visit, asked a couple times
[20:25:26 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] And his "sister" account logged in and pestered me to visit my town
[20:25:39 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Like ... begged

Now let's get back to it.



In your first post, you said yourself that you didn't actually know whether Ron's history would have any bearing on him being promoted, and that you were pointing it out simply because Jedi was the one who didn't want you to become slicer due to you handing out golden stickers. Your words, not mine. If that doesn't pretty brazenly say that you opposed his nomination because he was associated with Jedi, I don't know what possibly could.

Again, Ron being friends with Jedi has nothing to do with my opposition to Ron becoming a slicer. What I've already said, and will say again, is he is an incredibly sketchy player. When I mentioned Jedi, it was to draw attention to the irony that she did not want me to become a slicer due to me handing out imaginary stickers, yet is okay with Ron becoming slicer even though he had broken rules/had another fiasco with his "sister"'s account again since the last time he was nominated here http://loka.minecraftarium.com/forums/index.php?threads/ronshaud-for-slicer.1132/ you will notice that even though Ron was as active then as he is now, he did not get slicer. Again, since you have failed to catch this the first time around, Ron is a sketchy player. That is why I do not think he's good for slicer, not because he's Jedi's friend.

Let me see if I've got this right. Jedi said that you didn't deserve to be popular. You associate your popularity with raiding, so you viewed that as a criticism of you raiding people, specifically Dellsmite since it was Jedi saying it. Laz said you didn't deserve to be slicer because you hadn't been around long enough, and that you weren't "deserving". You again saw that as "a direct result of you raiding and taunting". Those two things together were enough for you to get the impression that Jedi and Laz were motivated by their butthurt over you raiding them to oppose your application entirely, despite all that talk about gold stars.

My popularity is completely derived from raiding, it's obvious now that what you're missing is background knowledge, which is what I tried clearing up for you here.

2) I became popular due to raiding, and most of those raids occurred in Dellsmite, hence the back lash from jedi saying I was popular for the wrong reasons and Laz saying I didn't deserve to be slicer, even though I had in fact been on the server as long as the others she was approving to be slicer, and that I wasn't a "deserving player". Those comments were the direct result of me raiding and taunting.

and a quote mentioned before in the same reply

Yes, she may be popular, (I will say not all popular people deserve to be, from personal experience)

Again, I became popular due to raiding, and most of the raids occurred in Dellsmite. When she says that I am popular for the wrong reasons, she isn't implying that my popularity derives from golden stickers, but is saying she disapproves of how I got my popularity. Which again, was from raiding, and Dellsmite was the most frequent victim. Me handing out golden stickers was way after I was already well known.


As for Lazuli, if you read this post http://loka.minecraftarium.com/forums/index.php?threads/ronshaud-for-slicer.1132/ you'll see that jedi mentioned Ron has been on loka for 6-7 months at the time the post was made. Since I joined Loka sometime during November, that means Ron and I joined within a month of each other give or take. So when Lazuli said that I hadn't played the server long enough, yet approved of Ronshaud, you can see that her point doesn't make sense.

Why fixes she even deserve slicer. She hasn't been on the serve half as long as other more, what's the word I want, deserving players (not mentioning names).

As for the golden stars, there is and was no rule about handing out imaginary golden stars, and they were originally handed to people who were obvious trolls and were just looking for a ban. The golden sticker was my prize for them having spent 5 minutes of their life completing the trainee course to just get themselves banned. Here is an example:

So while they argued that I was "encouraging" people to break the rules, you can clearly see that they were trolls looking for a ban, and me handing out golden stickers did not cause them to break rules. Golden stickers=petty argument.

Now back to Ronshaud. He's actually griefed a town and then blamed it on his sister, claimed to have lost diamond armor and some other items during a server restart and demanded them back (think this case has happened more than once), that fiasco with his sister joining psy's town and stealing diamond blocks and other items from him, then giving the items to Ron's account and friends of dellsmite, and broke this rule 15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it. during a raid when he let us into the homes of several dellsmiters and into Lazuli's vault(which took a big hit). Him griefing the town was before he was first nominated, everything else happened after the first nomination. This guy has a really sketchy past, that is why I'm opposing him to become slicer, not because he's Jedi's friend. I do however love the irony here that whilst golden stickers are worthy of not getting slicer, actually breaking the rules is okay.

 

[Jedoi]

When did Ron let you all into our houses and vaults?

 

[hyhu]

When did Ron let you all into our houses and vaults?

About two months ago, not too long ago. Heres a screenshot of Ron, Psy and I in Laz's vault

 

[Psychedelic98]

Good times.

 

[Artagan]

Side note, I like how you've ignored my response to your argument against Ron being promoted twice now, in favor of talking about your reasons for arguing it, and the dellsmiter's reasons for arguing against your nomination. Bravo.

My argument against Ronshaud has already been made, since you want me to copy pastarino it so bad,
Here you go:

Ronshaud has been a player on loka for several months now. While he is active, talks to others and is active on the forums, he is incredibly sketchy.
As mentioned above, he griefed a town and then blamed it on his sister (which I'll get into in a bit), claimed to have lost diamond armor and some other items during a server restart and demanded them back (think this case has happened more than once actually), that fiasco with his sister joining psy's town and stealing diamond blocks and other items from him, then giving the items to Ron's account and friends of dellsmite, and broke this rule 15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it. during a raid when he let us into the homes of several dellsmiters and into Lazuli's vault(which took a big hit). I'm also not sure of that fact that his sister is really the one behind some of the drama here, looking back at a conversation with Fat, it's possible that Ronshaud has access to his "sister's" account, and tries to get away with a couple of things with it.
[20:25:09 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Well the other day he asked for coming in my town to visit, asked a couple times
[20:25:26 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] And his "sister" account logged in and pestered me to visit my town
[20:25:39 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Like ... begged

Now back to Ronshaud. He's actually griefed a town and then blamed it on his sister, claimed to have lost diamond armor and some other items during a server restart and demanded them back (think this case has happened more than once), that fiasco with his sister joining psy's town and stealing diamond blocks and other items from him, then giving the items to Ron's account and friends of dellsmite, and broke this rule 15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it. during a raid when he let us into the homes of several dellsmiters and into Lazuli's vault(which took a big hit). Him griefing the town was before he was first nominated, everything else happened after the first nomination. This guy has a really sketchy past, that is why I'm opposing him to become slicer, not because he's Jedi's friend.

Crypt has overlooked people's past offenses before when considering their nomination to Slicer, choosing instead to focus on their activity and overall contribution to the server. For example, godemox was promoted to slicer awhile back, and he was banned for hacking on a previous account (Olixfire). If it happened ages ago and the person is active and participating, it doesn't matter.

Your response to ignoring my counterargument is to just copy paste the same argument. Twice. Again. Brilliant.

When I mentioned Jedi, it was to draw attention to the irony that she did not want me to become a slicer due to me handing out imaginary stickers, yet is okay with Ron becoming slicer even though he had broken rules/had another fiasco with his "sister"'s account again since the last time he was nominated here http://loka.minecraftarium.com/forums/index.php?threads/ronshaud-for-slicer.1132/ you will notice that even though Ron was as active then as he is now, he did not get slicer. Again, since you have failed to catch this the first time around, Ron is a sketchy player. That is why I do not think he's good for slicer, not because he's Jedi's friend.

Anyways, I'm not really sure if this disqualifies Ron from becoming a slicer. However, seeing that Jedi is the one who didn't want me to become slicer due to me handing out golden stickers, it seems fair that we shouldn't overlook everything Ron has done.

Despite the fact that you didn't actually know whether any of Ron's rule breaking had any bearing on him being promoted (a fact you have conveniently forgotten for the past several posts), you still posted it, and you even explained exactly why; because Jedi had complained about you giving out the golden stickers. You packaged it neatly for anyone to see that your motives for opposing the application had nothing to do with Ron, and you've been backpedaling ever since.

My popularity is completely derived from raiding, it's obvious now that what you're missing is background knowledge, which is what I tried clearing up for you here.


and a quote mentioned before in the same reply

Again, I became popular due to raiding, and most of the raids occurred in Dellsmite. When she says that I am popular for the wrong reasons, she isn't implying that my popularity derives from golden stickers, but is saying she disapproves of how I got my popularity. Which again, was from raiding, and Dellsmite was the most frequent victim. Me handing out golden stickers was way after I was already well known.

I personally don't even think of you as being particularly popular. I mean people know you, in the same sense that people know Psy or Jedi or Crypt or anyone who's been around for ages. But you're not exactly the server mascot.

Again, you've reverted to the argument that because your popularity was brought up, the whole premise of Jedi and Laz's opposition to your nomination was your raids on Dellsmite. That is a flimsy connection at best, and nonexistant when you look at the actual reason they opposed it and the subsequent argument (the golden stickers).

I never claimed that you became popular via golden stickers; in fact, as I said before, I don't even think of you as being popular.

As for Lazuli, if you read this post http://loka.minecraftarium.com/forums/index.php?threads/ronshaud-for-slicer.1132/ you'll see that jedi mentioned Ron has been on loka for 6-7 months at the time the post was made. Since I joined Loka sometime during November, that means Ron and I joined within a month of each other give or take. So when Lazuli said that I hadn't played the server long enough, yet approved of Ronshaud, you can see that her point doesn't make sense.

Laz was biased and wrong. I didn't say I agreed with what she posted, kek, I just said it had nothing to do with your town or your raiding. As in, she didn't say that she didn't want you to become a slicer because you were from/had raided a town. If you're angry at Laz for being a hypocrite in supporting Ron and not you, take it out on her, not Ron.

As for the golden stars, there is and was no rule about handing out imaginary golden stars, and they were originally handed to people who were obvious trolls and were just looking for a ban. The golden sticker was my prize for them having spent 5 minutes of their life completing the trainee course to just get themselves banned. Here is an example:

So while they argued that I was "encouraging" people to break the rules, you can clearly see that they were trolls looking for a ban, and me handing out golden stickers did not cause them to break rules. Golden stickers=petty argument.

And I didn't say I was opposed to you giving out golden stickers either. I said the same thing you said in your first post, that you were only opposing Ron's application because Jedi had pointed out you giving out golden stickers in your nomination thread.

If you want my personal opinion about it, if the guy's about to permabanned it doesn't matter. If Crypt thought you were doing something wrong he would've said something by now, so I couldn't care less. And when I say it doesn't matter, I mean it means you're not breaking the rules and it isn't something that should affect your nomination. Jedi was wrong. What's your point?

 

[Opyc]

This describes the thread.

 

[Leasaur]

God damn, this got ugly fast.
Can we please get back to people's opinions on Ron becoming a slicer.

 

[Psychedelic98]

[11:25:40 PM] Jay Pierre MCRon(Ronshaud): Just kill me right now
[11:25:50 PM] Jay Pierre MCRon(Ronshaud): Please ! Somebody !
[11:26:16 PM] Jay Pierre MCRon(Ronshaud): I dont even want my slicer thing anymore !
/thread

 

[hyhu]

Your response to ignoring my counterargument is to just copy paste the same argument. Twice. Again. Brilliant.

Actually I have responded to it, you just choose to overlook it. I've provided this link http://loka.minecraftarium.com/forums/index.php?threads/ronshaud-for-slicer.1132/ if you say that crypt overlooks people past offenses and focuses on their overall contribution to the server, then Ronshaud would have been promoted the first time around, this 2nd nomination wouldn't exist. It is because of Ronshaud's sketchiness that prevented him from becoming a slicer the first time around, and my opposition is due to other incidents occurring even after then. It's not a one time offense here. I'm not the one ignoring counterarguments here, I'm quite curious as to how you actually approve of Ron's fiasco with his sister account and him breaking rules here.

Despite the fact that you didn't actually know whether any of Ron's rule breaking had any bearing on him being promoted (a fact you have conveniently forgotten for the past several posts), you still posted it, and you even explained exactly why; because Jedi had complained about you giving out the golden stickers. You packaged it neatly for anyone to see that your motives for opposing the application had nothing to do with Ron, and you've been backpedaling ever since.

Again, Ronshaud's rule breaking has prevented him from being promoted, hence this second nomiation. Since the first nomination, he has again gotten himself in a fiasco with the sister account. I have explained the fact that I found it ironic that he's being nominated by the same person who was so against golden stickers, something not even against the rules. What Ronshaud has done actually breaks the rules, if he wasn't such a sketchy player I would approve of him becoming a slicer because he's an active talkative player. Unfortunately, as I said before, he's broken rules and the incident with his sister's account and psy is too coincidental that I'm led to believe that Ron has control over his sisters account and purposefully used it to steal illegally from psy. This is not a petty offense, and people with knowledge of the server and it's rules, as a slicer should be well acquainted with, wouldn't have done it. I have not been backpedaling my position here, I firmly believe Ronshaud should not become a slicer.

I personally don't even think of you as being particularly popular. I mean people know you, in the same sense that people know Psy or Jedi or Crypt or anyone who's been around for ages. But you're not exactly the server mascot.

>Implying I ever said I was the server mascot
The term popular was brought into the conversation when I quoted Jedi, I have since been using it to defend my points on the heat I caught from Jedi and Laz from raiding them. As for the petty argument on the golden stickers, I've already explained that as well in my above post.

Again, you've reverted to the argument that because your popularity was brought up, the whole premise of Jedi and Laz's opposition to your nomination was your raids on Dellsmite. That is a flimsy connection at best, and nonexistant when you look at the actual reason they opposed it and the subsequent argument (the golden stickers).

I've already thoroughly explained this, I'm not going to quote myself, as it was a long post and will take up a lot of room. You're going to have to reread.

I never claimed that you became popular via golden stickers; in fact, as I said before, I don't even think of you as being popular.

Yet even though I have explained it multiple times now, you fail to grasp that some of what Jedi is unrelated to golden stickers. Read above chap.

Laz was biased and wrong. I didn't say I agreed with what she posted, kek, I just said it had nothing to do with your town or your raiding. As in, she didn't say that she didn't want you to become a slicer because you were from/had raided a town. If you're angry at Laz for being a hypocrite in supporting Ron and not you, take it out on her, not Ron.

Again, her anger/bias is from me raiding Dellsmite, it had everything to do with my (previous) town (FKA aka Psy's town) and me raiding her town. I am not taking out anger on Ron, I'm responding to you implying that I'm against Ron because he is in Dellsmite, when in actuality I have already said my reasons for being against him because he is sketchy.

And I didn't say I was opposed to you giving out golden stickers either. I said the same thing you said in your first post, that you were only opposing Ron's application because Jedi had pointed out you giving out golden stickers in your nomination thread.

Again, pointing out the irony of the situation. I've stated my reasons for opposing Ron, and no, they are not as petty as imaginary stickers, he has broken the rules and is a sketchy player. I've even provided a screenshot of him letting Psy and I into Laz's vault, which is against the rules, which a slicer should be well acquainted with.

If you want my personal opinion about it, if the guy's about to permabanned it doesn't matter. If Crypt thought you were doing something wrong he would've said something by now, so I couldn't care less. And when I say it doesn't matter, I mean it means you're not breaking the rules and it isn't something that should affect your nomination. Jedi was wrong. What's your point?

My point is that Ronshaud is not ready to be a slicer, since the last nomination, he still has had incidents regarding his sisters account, which again, I believe he has control over, as well as has proved that he does not truely know the rules as a slicer should.

 

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Actually I have responded to it, you just choose to overlook it. I've provided this link http://loka.minecraftarium.com/forums/index.php?threads/ronshaud-for-slicer.1132/ if you say that crypt overlooks people past offenses and focuses on their overall contribution to the server, then Ronshaud would have been promoted the first time around, this 2nd nomination wouldn't exist. It is because of Ronshaud's sketchiness that prevented him from becoming a slicer the first time around, and my opposition is due to other incidents occurring even after then. It's not a one time offense here. I'm not the one ignoring counterarguments here, I'm quite curious as to how you actually approve of Ron's fiasco with his sister account and him breaking rules here.

You pasted your earlier reiteration of Ron's past offenses; my response was that Crypt has overlooked people's offenses plenty of times in the past, and that Ron had contributed a lot to the server since then. Your response has been the same every time, just listing the rules he's broken and saying he's shady. Also, we don't actually know why Ron was turned down for his first nomination, but I'd argue that since more time has passed, his past offenses have become less relevant in the face of his activity.

And yeah, you definitely have ignored what I said about Ron. We've been talking about your reasons for posting your opposition to Ron, and your nomination, and all sorts of other stupid stuff that doesn't really relate to this thread.

Of course I don't approve of Ron using his sister's account or whatever.

Again, Ronshaud's rule breaking has prevented him from being promoted, hence this second nomiation. Since the first nomination, he has again gotten himself in a fiasco with the sister account. I have explained the fact that I found it ironic that he's being nominated by the same person who was so against golden stickers, something not even against the rules. What Ronshaud has done actually breaks the rules, if he wasn't such a sketchy player I would approve of him becoming a slicer because he's an active talkative player. Unfortunately, as I said before, he's broken rules and the incident with his sister's account and psy is too coincidental that I'm led to believe that Ron has control over his sisters account and purposefully used it to steal illegally from psy. This is not a petty offense, and people with knowledge of the server and it's rules, as a slicer should be well acquainted with, wouldn't have done it. I have not been backpedaling my position here, I firmly believe Ronshaud should not become a slicer.

First off, you don't actually have any way of knowing why Ron wasn't promoted the first time. Second, you said yourself that you didn't know if his rule breaking would have any impact on him being promoted now. Third, you also said that that you were only pointing out Ron's rule breaking because Jedi had pointed out the golden sticker dealio.

See:

Anyways, I'm not really sure if this disqualifies Ron from becoming a slicer. However, seeing that Jedi is the one who didn't want me to become slicer due to me handing out golden stickers, it seems fair that we shouldn't overlook everything Ron has done.

Finally, I'd like to acknowledge the fact that Ron may have more recently broken the rules, referring specifically to him using his sister's account and stealing from his townmates. While suspicous, the evidence brought forward thus far doesn't prove that Ron did it, and so can't be held against him in the same sense that his griefing was. What we do know about Ron is that he's insanely active, has brought numerous active players to the server, and regularly participates in every capacity that could be reasonably expected from a much more experienced Lokan.

>Implying I ever said I was the server mascot
The term popular was brought into the conversation when I quoted Jedi, I have since been using it to defend my points on the heat I caught from Jedi and Laz from raiding them. As for the petty argument on the golden stickers, I've already explained that as well in my above post.

Now we're getting silly. The point is, bringing up you being popular/not being popular =/= talking about you raiding dellsmite.

I've already thoroughly explained this, I'm not going to quote myself, as it was a long post and will take up a lot of room. You're going to have to reread.

Jedi and Laz voiced their opposition to your application because of the golden stickers, and Laz also said some other stupid stuff unrelated to raiding. Repeating your argument over and over doesn't make it right.

you fail to grasp that some of what Jedi is unrelated to golden stickers

You're right, I do fail to grasp what you're talking about, it's incomprehensible. Seriously what are you trying to say here lol

Again, her anger/bias is from me raiding Dellsmite, it had everything to do with my (previous) town (FKA aka Psy's town) and me raiding her town. I am not taking out anger on Ron, I'm responding to you implying that I'm against Ron because he is in Dellsmite, when in actuality I have already said my reasons for being against him because he is sketchy.

Again, you said yourself that you didn't actually know if Ron's sketchiness mattered when it came to him being promoted, and that you only mentioned it because of Jedi's post about the golden stickers. Laz's bias honestly comes from the fact that she sees you as being prettier than her and that you shamed her for being a bad admin, not from raiding.

Again, pointing out the irony of the situation. I've stated my reasons for opposing Ron, and no, they are not as petty as imaginary stickers, he has broken the rules and is a sketchy player. I've even provided a screenshot of him letting Psy and I into Laz's vault, which is against the rules, which a slicer should be well acquainted with.

Getting tired of saying this: you said yourself that you didn't know if Ron's rule breaking mattered when it came to him being promoted, and that you were only pointing it out because of Jedi's comment about the golden stickers. And when it comes to the screenshot, it technically is not against the rules for you, Psy, and Ron to be standing in Laz's vault together, and that's all that the screenshot actually proves.