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[DevvyVR]

Hey everyone, this idea is LobsterLarry's idea and I give him full credit. in light of recent ban appeals such as Splinian, Prodxgy, and etc. A problem with a lot of ban appeals is that most replies to ban appeals are completely biased because of the unofficial -1 and +1 system that players use. It's really simple. If you don't like a player you -1, if you like a player or if they are your friend you +1.

Another issue with the ban appeals is how 1 message can change the course of a ban appeal. For example in Prodxgy's unban appeal, a player who had not logged on in over 4 years wrote an entire essay on why they believe a player should not be unbanned. This caused the appeal to go into a full stage argument and just "nuked" the appeal.

Another thing is that some appeals go really off topic and just turn into a massive argument between a group of players. For an example, in Splinians ban appeal, a player who had posted a screenshot of Splinian saying some bad things got replied to by another screenshot of the player who was posting about Splinian saying bad things. This turned into an all right civil war between a friend group and was really off topic from an unban appeal.

In order to fix this, I think we should start disabling replies for unban appeals because it isn't the players job in order to decide whether a person should be unbanned or not, it should be the moderator's choice to determine whether someone is fit enough to be unbanned.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

 

[koi0001]

I appreciate the sentiment but I think keeping appeals relatively simple and as they are now does what it should.

 

[Cryptite]

all I see in a system like that is a waste of time and many, many people calling bias based on what we do and don't classify as evidence

To hammer home on this; it's in the best interest of the entire community of Loka that everybody sees what evidence is provided. If it's "secretly provided to admins", all that will wind up doing is eroding trust in the staff team who is being given evidence "in secret that nobody else can see". There are on occasion good reasons to provide evidence to admins in DMs, mostly so you don't out yourself, but most evidence can and should be posted on appeals by players.

Everybody should see all the evidence, posts, etc. The only thing that can't be known is what the staff team literally talks about in a VC, basically, when it comes time to discussing appeals.

 

[Deleted member 1854]

For example in Prodxgy's unban appeal, a player who had not logged on in over 4 years wrote an entire essay on why they believe a player should not be unbanned. This caused the appeal to go into a full stage argument and just "nuked" the appeal.

I still don’t understand what not having logged onto the server for 4 years has anything to do with commenting under an appeal... but you do you!

 

[Zachary_N_Kaleno]

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