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BTB Ban Dispute
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FalseDamage
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This is worded in a deceiving way, when in reality, drip lite is used by many 1.21 cheaters. Also you're just a known cheater
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BreadToastBurnt
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Am I wrong though? It is primarily a 1.8 client that is a fact. Me saying that doesn’t mean that it couldn’t be used for 1.21 I haven’t mentioned once in my appeal that it couldn’t be used for 1.21.
Staff never "shares" evidence. If a banned player is unable to effectively appeal without being told exactly what they did wrong, it speaks to the sincerity of their appeal.
Questionable? You have no clue what was found in either screenshare. What does the length of the screenshare have to do with anything?
Who tf is "skied" and who gives a shit what he has to say
. They have absolutely no context for the situation or for how staff conduct screen shares.
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Completely ignored his entire appeal - whether or not you choose to play on a lower version is allowed if you take a look at the allowed mods + ticket ss that I provided. Unless ChickPro directly caught something in screenshare (isn’t likely if he was let off the hook initially) then he should be unbannedHe uses ViaFabric because drip lite hasnt released 1.21.11 support yet
I think you also ignored the point of his appeal aswell, Skuhoo (quite literally the main sser of loka and current elder) is (or atleast was for a long amount of time) a member of the Red Lotus Screensharing Organization, being a member means they the ability to acess tools specialized and created specifically to catch cheaters with hacks in instance. Skuhoo used those exact tools, on atleast some of the playerbase (unless he stopped) - since Skuhoo actively uses(ed) those tools.Staff never "shares" evidence. If a banned player is unable to effectively appeal without being told exactly what they did wrong, it speaks to the sincerity of their appeal.
Questionable? You have no clue what was found in either screenshare. What does the length of the screenshare have to do with anything?
Who tf is "skied" and who gives a shit what he has to say
That’s where the creator and current owner of said tools (Skied) comes in, who is giving him verification (if Skuhoo is using his tools I’d argue he’s pretty credible) that if chickpro did find anything, then he would of been able to share it with Bread since he already found out what he did.
I also think your point on “staff never sharing evidence” is fair and usually cut and dry, however , ChickPro directly said “why are you on 1.21.4 - drip works on that” which for the record, is never done. Based off that, so I think it was is very fair to assume that is the justified reason for the ban.
Regardless on whether he not defamed the validity of Drip Lite in his appeal, does not matter because if so, they would’ve caught him using it on the day of the tournament, But as explained in his appeal, that DID NOT happen (seen by him literally not being banned until the day after when he got ssed again for ViaFabric and questioned about it)
Whether or not bread is an ex cheater does not matter towards this appeal because Loka Admins haven’t caught him in the instance of using it on their server. At the end of the day, If you’re going to leave your opinion please do so by actually reading the appeal entirely in a bipartisan standpoint under the context that is provided, by ChickPro and Bread and nothing beyond that, if you do it’s clear he should be freed.
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Banks
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well said
I think BTB is a great person, however
It is unlikely ChickPro made this ban decision alone, I doubt that he was the first person that(in guardian team/ss team) suggested banning BTB. Probably whole SS team is agreed on one thing otherwise they would not ban BTB imo. I wonder what Skuhoo thinks
It is unlikely ChickPro made this ban decision alone, I doubt that he was the first person that(in guardian team/ss team) suggested banning BTB. Probably whole SS team is agreed on one thing otherwise they would not ban BTB imo. I wonder what Skuhoo thinks
I'm not questioning his credibility as a screensharer. I'm questioning his ability to speak to how Loka Staff handles their screenshares. Skuhoo being in that discord and his past screenshares do not qualify Skied to tell Bread "they wouldn't dodge sharing it". Skied is not privvy to the internal procedures that lead to, take place, and follow a screenshare on Loka. My point was that going to him to inquire about your LOKA ban is useless in getting you unbanned on loka.
Are you arguing that since he mentioned the suspected cheat, that counts as sharing evidence? You are not informed enough to speak on the record about this. How do you know that Loka screensharer's have NEVER mentioned the suspected cheat to the suspect in the history of Loka screenshares? Even if they never did, there is literally no evidence being shared.
You have no clue exactly what he may have found in either of the screenshares. You do not know what specific evidence led to his ban, and it's naive to assume that Bread's use of ViaFabric is the sole reason. Chickpro literally says he has more evidence beyond ViaVersion. I do not know why you are choosing to ignore that.
What could have changed between the two screenshares that allowed bread to be banned on the second but not the first? Skied's ability to answer that question will define his credibility and hopefully ease your confusion.
We get it, you're backing your boy, and that's fine, but arguing semantics is not going to get him unbanned.
the_farter123
Active Member
I just want to know why ViaFabric is allowed yet somehow Bread got banned? Maybe he cheats like most people say, I don't know, i'm not close to his level and haven't gotten the chance to fight him. I just wan't to know if you guys did infact find cheats on his pc or just wanted him banned because of all the pressure from other players calling him a cheater. If you did find cheats then he is lying in the appeal, if you didn't, there is nothing against using ViaFabric and you might want to change the rules in "Approved (Legal) Client Side Mods" before banning another player. I am not for nor against this appeal. But if you did cheat, Bread, I would just admit it and relieve the staff of their hard work and take a long ban and appeal later with a higher chance of suceeding instead of lying to staff and making them waste their time on what would be a pointless appeal.
Barend110
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STAFF PLEASE READ
First off i want to be clear that this whole appeal feels less like a search for truth and more like a popularity contest a lot of people who clearly dislike bread are typing -1 without even reading his appeal and then you have people blindly typing +1 because they are his friends it feels like honesty and objectivity have completely disappeared from the loka community and it's been replaced by highschool drama loka is always the first big pvp server to update to the latest version while other servers haven’t updated yet a lot of players use mods like viaforge to jump between versions so they don’t have to restart their game and staff have said multiple times that via forge isn’t an illegal mod! yet bread is being singled out and punished for something literally hundreds of players do every day it feels overblown and targeted just because some people don’t like him and have a vague suspicion that he’s cheating this inst an attack but research shows that perception and bias heavily influence how people judge others in online games this also counts for loka the study “exploring cyberbullying and other toxic behavior in team competition online games” looked at millions of player reports and found that people often interpret negative behavior based on personal feelings rather than facts you can read it here https://arxiv.org/abs/1504.02305 some of the loudest detractors in this appeal may not even realize they are being biased and toxic some of the people making accusations against bread have autism or autism-related traits i don’t want to single them out so i wont name them and again this is not an attack but research shows it can include repetitive negative thinking and difficulty letting go of perceived slights like getting killed at gank ils this can mean they focus intensely on specific events or misunderstand interactions the way others do this doesn’t make their perspective invalid but it helps explain why minor things can be remembered for a long time and reacted to strongly they only attack these players have is calling him a cheater https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6019023/ Bread has played minecraft pvp at a very high skill level for more than five years and his long term consistency and experience are being completely ignored in favor of vague assumptions emotionally driven reactions and conclusions that aren’t supported by real evidence wich is isnae that is why i give him a
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First off i want to be clear that this whole appeal feels less like a search for truth and more like a popularity contest a lot of people who clearly dislike bread are typing -1 without even reading his appeal and then you have people blindly typing +1 because they are his friends it feels like honesty and objectivity have completely disappeared from the loka community and it's been replaced by highschool drama loka is always the first big pvp server to update to the latest version while other servers haven’t updated yet a lot of players use mods like viaforge to jump between versions so they don’t have to restart their game and staff have said multiple times that via forge isn’t an illegal mod! yet bread is being singled out and punished for something literally hundreds of players do every day it feels overblown and targeted just because some people don’t like him and have a vague suspicion that he’s cheating this inst an attack but research shows that perception and bias heavily influence how people judge others in online games this also counts for loka the study “exploring cyberbullying and other toxic behavior in team competition online games” looked at millions of player reports and found that people often interpret negative behavior based on personal feelings rather than facts you can read it here https://arxiv.org/abs/1504.02305 some of the loudest detractors in this appeal may not even realize they are being biased and toxic some of the people making accusations against bread have autism or autism-related traits i don’t want to single them out so i wont name them and again this is not an attack but research shows it can include repetitive negative thinking and difficulty letting go of perceived slights like getting killed at gank ils this can mean they focus intensely on specific events or misunderstand interactions the way others do this doesn’t make their perspective invalid but it helps explain why minor things can be remembered for a long time and reacted to strongly they only attack these players have is calling him a cheater https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6019023/ Bread has played minecraft pvp at a very high skill level for more than five years and his long term consistency and experience are being completely ignored in favor of vague assumptions emotionally driven reactions and conclusions that aren’t supported by real evidence wich is isnae that is why i give him a
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