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[babycat]

Hi! As I am sure many have noticed the newly added deepslate block in the 1.17 update is harder than stone, and does not instantly break when minded with efficiency 5 and haste 2 on a diamond pickaxe.

I have come up with 3 ideas that could allow for the instant mining of deepslate blocks on LokaMC.

Idea #1: Adjustment of the Hardness Values // This is not possible but is a good starting point for the process of this thought.​

In Minecraft the time it takes to mine a block is determined through the hardness of a block and the mining speed. That is why a block of obsidian with a hardness of 50 takes much longer to mine than a block of stone with a hardness of 1.5.

Instant-mining of blocks like stone is also determined by the same factors with the block having an "hp" of 30 times its hardness value, and that "hp" needs to be taken to 0 in a single game tick for it to be instantly mined.

Spoiler: Math of Instantly Breaking Stone with Diamond and Deepslate Tools

That led me to the idea that the hardness value of deepslate could be reduced to anything between 1.59 and 1.63

Spoiler: Math of New Deepslate Hardness

However, this cannot be done as the hardness of blocks is hardcoded in Minecraft and cannot be adjusted, and that is why this potential solution is not possible.

Idea #2: Efficiency 6 Netherite Pickaxe​

My second idea for making Deepslate mineable is the crafting of an Efficiency 6 Netherite Pickaxe after the addition of the eventual nether update.

Spoiler: Math of Efficiency 6 Diamond and Netherite Pickaxes

Example crafting recipe:

The main benefits of this solution are:

1. Its a do it once and forget so players don't need to continually re-acquire the ability to instantly break blocks like Deepslate.
2. It could be an opportunity to tie it into special quests with components of it being rewards

The main problems with this are:

1. Endgame Content that doesn't require much further input on the player, so it will be similar to the special magma cream that I have yet to get myself
2. It is entirely inaccessible to players who are new to the server, or don't have the time/resources to get special crafting materials necessary for something like this.

Idea #3: Consumable Mining Boost​

I think the most robust solution to making deepslate instantly minable would be the implementation of a new purchasable item from the blacksmith at spawn which would give either Efficiency 6 for a number of blocks broken or Haste IV for a short period of time, perhaps 5-15 minutes.

Spoiler: Math of Haste IV

The main advantages of this are:

1. It is accessible to everyone on Loka
2. It removes shards from the economy to help reduce the stagnation of vast quantities of shards
3. It allows individuals who don't have the funds to build a beacon the ability to instantly mine spaces without one

The main problems with this are:

1. It reduces the need for beacons, likely leading to a drop in their market price

 

[Lampp_]

From my perspective, this isn't a question of making Minecraft easy and more of a question of removing factors that don't bring anyone enjoyment. As it stands right now mining a block of deep slate takes 6 times as long as an absolute minimum due to the nature of how breaking blocks works.

If you wanted to dig out a 21 x 7 x 21 room underground (3087 blocks) for a void storage room if it was made out of stone with your haste 2 beacons an efficiency 5 pickaxe could get that done in at most 5 minutes, with an absolute minimum time spent breaking blocks of 154.35 seconds.

Digging out a similar 21 x 7 x 21 room in deep slate would take quite literally 6 times as long for the digging which would take an absolute minimum of 926.1 seconds or 15.5 minutes, and that ignores the need of movement and the need of putting the items in storage systems.

I can think of so many things I would rather spend the 10 minutes I save digging out a hole, I could spend those 10 minutes building, and that is for a relatively small space. Consider the time investment necessary for something like an underground war room, which often can be in the realm of 30 x 15 x 30, quite literally 4.5 times larger which would take over an hour of time on the server to dig. I don't want to spend an hour digging out a war room. I don't think anyone wants to spend an hour digging out a war room.

That time could be spent in ways that are so much better, and so much more enjoyable which is why this should seriously be considered.

ok Einstein

 

[Samisol]

From my perspective, this isn't a question of making Minecraft easy and more of a question of removing factors that don't bring anyone enjoyment. As it stands right now mining a block of deep slate takes 6 times as long as an absolute minimum due to the nature of how breaking blocks works.

If you wanted to dig out a 21 x 7 x 21 room underground (3087 blocks) for a void storage room if it was made out of stone with your haste 2 beacons an efficiency 5 pickaxe could get that done in at most 5 minutes, with an absolute minimum time spent breaking blocks of 154.35 seconds.

Digging out a similar 21 x 7 x 21 room in deep slate would take quite literally 6 times as long for the digging which would take an absolute minimum of 926.1 seconds or 15.5 minutes, and that ignores the need of movement and the need of putting the items in storage systems.

I can think of so many things I would rather spend the 10 minutes I save digging out a hole, I could spend those 10 minutes building, and that is for a relatively small space. Consider the time investment necessary for something like an underground war room, which often can be in the realm of 30 x 15 x 30, quite literally 4.5 times larger which would take over an hour of time on the server to dig. I don't want to spend an hour digging out a war room. I don't think anyone wants to spend an hour digging out a war room.

That time could be spent in ways that are so much better, and so much more enjoyable which is why this should seriously be considered.

I agree that the deepslate is a problem for people without beacons that want to mine out their town. However, I don't see a reasonable way to fix this problem seeing as you cannot adjust the hardness value of blocks. I don't see Efficiency VI getting added to Loka, or Haste IV.

Anyway, it isn't too hard to get a beacon if you really needed one. 1-2 weeks of mining trips could get you enough shards to afford one.

 

[Lurnn]

I agree that the deepslate is a problem for people without beacons that want to mine out their town. However, I don't see a reasonable way to fix this problem seeing as you cannot adjust the hardness value of blocks. I don't see Efficiency VI getting added to Loka, or Haste IV.

Anyway, it isn't too hard to get a beacon if you really needed one. 1-2 weeks of mining trips could get you enough shards to afford one.

said the man with a beacon throne

 

[Samisol]

said the man with a beacon throne

ok but people sell beacons in the market

 

[Zaidgvv]

upon a lot of thinking

i agree that this should be a thing.

for obsidian. because man THESE ENDERCHESTS MAD ANNOYING TO GRIND YO

Ong

 

[Hairysonic]

-1

I want loka to be hard

 

[koi0001]

I mean isn't it just blocks below Y12? If you lived in a biome of deepslate I'd understand.

 

[FroggyFruit1357]

Build above ground

 

[PartayArc]

Build above ground

no bad