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Punishment for the people responsible for "Agartha Avengers"
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Hello everyone
I see that there is a lot of controversy about our alliance name "Agartha Avengers", so in this post I'll explain some things, explain the origins of why we set that name, and also respond to some people from the community.
Some quick notes:
1. I'm aware of the fact that many people don't care, and to be honest I wish others were like that. For example our friend @Qu1ck3l said to me that "nobody cares" well that is generalization cuz unfortunately some do, but as I said, I kinda wish he was fully right.
2. Other then that, in this post I will avoid one specific word that is usually used for a group of people (far right germans) that did awful things mainly during WW2, for obvious reasons I don't want to give someone an excuse to remove this post from forums.
3. Also I will try to provide links to wikipedia as a source of easy information. I'm aware that in academic circles wikipedia is not seen as a valid source, however I don't care, and it is good enough for my purposes in this post.
4. AI was NOT used for writing this text. Before you get an idea that I prolly pasted this thing from an AI tool, you are wrong. I used it only for research and finding external information sources (something like that is allowed by universities when writing for example a bachelors thesis). AI was not used for logic, conclusions, or text writing itslef.
5. I most likely won't be respoding to any comments that someone might potentially make towards this post, unless they bring somethings new to the table that wasn't covered before.
6. Also, it's important to note that I'm not asking for the name to be brought back, I see why it was removed but I still feel the need to respond to some things that were said.
Ok so let's get to the point
1. Historical context of Agartha
I want to give you some short historic background, since the point that many people from around the community are making is that we are somehow promoting or following Aryan-fanatic (the evil germans from WW2, I'll be referring to them that way)ideology, so I believe that some historical context is necessary to realise that that is not the case, and what the evil Aryans did was twist a myth so that it fits their messed up world view and ideology (*they did that with other myths/legends/or even ancient civilizations, I will also cover that later on)
So, the first mentions of agartha date back to the 1870s, to be precise it was mentioned in a book in 1873 written by a French writer. Moving forward, the idea got popularized in the early 20th century (before ww2). In 1922 a POLISH explorer wrote of Agartha in his book that talked about his adventures across the world. You can already see, that the origins were far from gemany or anything affiliated with the twisted ideology of some of them.
And only now do we see how the Aryan fanatics tied themselves to it. For those who aren't much into history and skipped history classes, that group of freaks rose to power around the 1930s. And the earliest mentions of them tying themselves to agartha that I could find appeared after the war, so around 1950s or even 1960s. This is relevant, because it shows that they adapted it to their culture, twisting the idea of a lovely sun-worshipping ancient civilisation, into Aryan promised land.
en.wikipedia.org
2. What else did they twist, and why does it matter?
As mentioned in paragraph nr 1, they connected themselves to various myths/legends/or ancient civilizations and more, so that these things helped them shape the image of their ideology.
Why does it matter? What they were doing, was take things from history, myths, and culture, and adapt it to their ideology, so that it seems like their rule is something more then politics and ideas, to show that its "ancient, cosmic, and inevitable."
To give you some examples (I won't go in too deep bcuz no need, if you are interested, I'll provide some links so that you can read a bit more):
2.1 Hyperborea – the alleged “original Aryan homeland”
What it actually is?
Hyperborea comes from ancient Greek mythology (do you see the pattern already? taking something from some mythology and twisting it to their view): a legendary land far to the north, beyond the North Wind.
Aryan fanatics claimed:
-Hyperborea was the original homeland of the Aryans.
-Germans descended from Hyperboreans.
-The land was located in the Arctic or Scandinavia.
The reality was, that as mentioned above, their claims were far from the truth, and Hyperborea was purely mythological and originated from the Greek mythology
pl.wikipedia.org
2.2 Explaining every myth would take a lot of time and space so ill go over them in once sentence, but u can see the logic with how I explain the previous one.
-Atlantis - It was a philosophical myth about a lost advanced civilisation, and the Aryans twisted it into being their origin place, and claimed that the survivors founded the european civilisation.
en.wikipedia.org
That's directly tied to your flawed logic @fa1c You said "if you truly believe that they were going for lost civilizations wouldn't atlantis avengers have fit better?" with this sentence you only proved your ignorance. Accusing us of ignorace, you just proved that you can't think rationally. You said that we were aware of the ties of Agartha to the Aryan ideology, but then u dropped another thing that's tied to their ideology in the exact same was as agartha, promoting it as a good alternative that is supposed to just be an ancient civilisation. You see the principle here? Both Agartha and Altantis are mythical places from legends and made up stories, both of them were taken by Aryan fanatics and used to convince people that their rule was not political but rather ancient, cosmic, and inevitable. (ik i repeated myself here)
I hope you can understand my point, I'm trying my hardest to explain it with many examples and as simply as I can.
-The Holy Grail - A christian medival legend, twisted into the representation of Aryan spiritual power
en.wikipedia.org
3. Why did we use that name?
I explain it on discord earlier on, so ill just copy and paste what i said:
basically
i think it was during vinovia tourney
the meme was big on tiktok at that time
and someone msged me that we have to win the tourney to defend the gates to agartha
we lost
so then we decided that we have to avenge the loss
but the ally got created only now cuz
we had bigger fish to fry
for more explanation if you cant interpret it properly:
we lost the tourney -> which means we failed to defend the gates of agartha (originated from tiktok memes saying similar things, example: )
we had to avenge the loss -> the gates of Agartha from the meme were breached so we have to avenge it (u get it? avenge -> avengers) hence the name, Agartha Avengers
4. The impact of the twisted ideology on things.
As I've explained before, many things were twisted and the Aryans tried to fit them into their culture. Apparently they succeeded in doing that. Instead of recognising it as a myth/legend, some of you guys see it as a symbol of their twisted ideology, which is simply sad for me but I understand where you are coming from.
I'm Polish, and so are my ancestors, who died fighting against the Germans. Me and my fellow polish players from my alliance would be the last people on loka that would want to promote any form of a neo-version of their ideology. We wanted to use that ally name for the meme, and at the same time not allowing the Aryans to twist the cool idea of that myth. Agartha was NOT their ideological homeland, even tho they very much wanted it to be.
5. So now to respond to the community comments a little bit.
To the ones advocating for bans. @fa1c @shharpp @Kylaz
I believe I've given enough explanation and context in this post and I dont have to repeat myself now. If you are one of the people writing posts and crying in chat about our ally name, I suggest you take the time to educate yourself by writing my post and reconsider your takes.
To @Cryptite
Dear Cryptite. I'd like to start by saying that you decision of removing our ally name is something I can understand. You are very peaceful and want avoid controversy, and well even tho there was no bad intent behind our ally name, we can that see some uneducated people can get the wrong idea, so I understand why you removed it. However telling my buddy @glory that we are lucky that we didn't get banned seems a bit weird for me, and let me explain why. The alliance name was accepted by an elder, I dont know which one, but is that elder also lucky that they aren't getting a ban? Or demoted? I think it was said in the heat of the moment so I understand it, but still getting a message of that sort can spike ones cortisol quite a bit. It did occur to me that the name might get rejected, but I thought that I'll just let you guys be the ones to judge, since I've always trusted your judgement. After all my explanation I belive I've shown that we had 0 bad intentions, and we would appriciate a change to pick a new alliance name. It shouldn't be much of an issue from the technical side of things, and I believe it would be fair, the name was removed to avoid missinterpretation and controversy, so just let us just choose a new one.
what else can I say, @lceSpiice u said "I think ppl should do some background research...", I hope my research is good enough
Thank you very much for taking your time to read this if someone actually did. I hope I shed some extra light on the situation and the history. Whatever you advocated for and whatever you complained about, I believe I got a chance to help you in some way with this post, and possibly changed someones mind.
I see that there is a lot of controversy about our alliance name "Agartha Avengers", so in this post I'll explain some things, explain the origins of why we set that name, and also respond to some people from the community.
Some quick notes:
1. I'm aware of the fact that many people don't care, and to be honest I wish others were like that. For example our friend @Qu1ck3l said to me that "nobody cares" well that is generalization cuz unfortunately some do, but as I said, I kinda wish he was fully right.
2. Other then that, in this post I will avoid one specific word that is usually used for a group of people (far right germans) that did awful things mainly during WW2, for obvious reasons I don't want to give someone an excuse to remove this post from forums.
3. Also I will try to provide links to wikipedia as a source of easy information. I'm aware that in academic circles wikipedia is not seen as a valid source, however I don't care, and it is good enough for my purposes in this post.
4. AI was NOT used for writing this text. Before you get an idea that I prolly pasted this thing from an AI tool, you are wrong. I used it only for research and finding external information sources (something like that is allowed by universities when writing for example a bachelors thesis). AI was not used for logic, conclusions, or text writing itslef.
5. I most likely won't be respoding to any comments that someone might potentially make towards this post, unless they bring somethings new to the table that wasn't covered before.
6. Also, it's important to note that I'm not asking for the name to be brought back, I see why it was removed but I still feel the need to respond to some things that were said.
Ok so let's get to the point
1. Historical context of Agartha
I want to give you some short historic background, since the point that many people from around the community are making is that we are somehow promoting or following Aryan-fanatic (the evil germans from WW2, I'll be referring to them that way)ideology, so I believe that some historical context is necessary to realise that that is not the case, and what the evil Aryans did was twist a myth so that it fits their messed up world view and ideology (*they did that with other myths/legends/or even ancient civilizations, I will also cover that later on)
So, the first mentions of agartha date back to the 1870s, to be precise it was mentioned in a book in 1873 written by a French writer. Moving forward, the idea got popularized in the early 20th century (before ww2). In 1922 a POLISH explorer wrote of Agartha in his book that talked about his adventures across the world. You can already see, that the origins were far from gemany or anything affiliated with the twisted ideology of some of them.
And only now do we see how the Aryan fanatics tied themselves to it. For those who aren't much into history and skipped history classes, that group of freaks rose to power around the 1930s. And the earliest mentions of them tying themselves to agartha that I could find appeared after the war, so around 1950s or even 1960s. This is relevant, because it shows that they adapted it to their culture, twisting the idea of a lovely sun-worshipping ancient civilisation, into Aryan promised land.
Agartha - Wikipedia
2. What else did they twist, and why does it matter?
As mentioned in paragraph nr 1, they connected themselves to various myths/legends/or ancient civilizations and more, so that these things helped them shape the image of their ideology.
Why does it matter? What they were doing, was take things from history, myths, and culture, and adapt it to their ideology, so that it seems like their rule is something more then politics and ideas, to show that its "ancient, cosmic, and inevitable."
To give you some examples (I won't go in too deep bcuz no need, if you are interested, I'll provide some links so that you can read a bit more):
2.1 Hyperborea – the alleged “original Aryan homeland”
What it actually is?
Hyperborea comes from ancient Greek mythology (do you see the pattern already? taking something from some mythology and twisting it to their view): a legendary land far to the north, beyond the North Wind.
Aryan fanatics claimed:
-Hyperborea was the original homeland of the Aryans.
-Germans descended from Hyperboreans.
-The land was located in the Arctic or Scandinavia.
The reality was, that as mentioned above, their claims were far from the truth, and Hyperborea was purely mythological and originated from the Greek mythology
Hiperborea – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia
2.2 Explaining every myth would take a lot of time and space so ill go over them in once sentence, but u can see the logic with how I explain the previous one.
-Atlantis - It was a philosophical myth about a lost advanced civilisation, and the Aryans twisted it into being their origin place, and claimed that the survivors founded the european civilisation.
Atlantis - Wikipedia
That's directly tied to your flawed logic @fa1c You said "if you truly believe that they were going for lost civilizations wouldn't atlantis avengers have fit better?" with this sentence you only proved your ignorance. Accusing us of ignorace, you just proved that you can't think rationally. You said that we were aware of the ties of Agartha to the Aryan ideology, but then u dropped another thing that's tied to their ideology in the exact same was as agartha, promoting it as a good alternative that is supposed to just be an ancient civilisation. You see the principle here? Both Agartha and Altantis are mythical places from legends and made up stories, both of them were taken by Aryan fanatics and used to convince people that their rule was not political but rather ancient, cosmic, and inevitable. (ik i repeated myself here)
I hope you can understand my point, I'm trying my hardest to explain it with many examples and as simply as I can.
-The Holy Grail - A christian medival legend, twisted into the representation of Aryan spiritual power
Holy Grail - Wikipedia
3. Why did we use that name?
I explain it on discord earlier on, so ill just copy and paste what i said:
basically
i think it was during vinovia tourney
the meme was big on tiktok at that time
and someone msged me that we have to win the tourney to defend the gates to agartha
we lost
so then we decided that we have to avenge the loss
but the ally got created only now cuz
we had bigger fish to fry
for more explanation if you cant interpret it properly:
we lost the tourney -> which means we failed to defend the gates of agartha (originated from tiktok memes saying similar things, example: )
we had to avenge the loss -> the gates of Agartha from the meme were breached so we have to avenge it (u get it? avenge -> avengers) hence the name, Agartha Avengers
4. The impact of the twisted ideology on things.
As I've explained before, many things were twisted and the Aryans tried to fit them into their culture. Apparently they succeeded in doing that. Instead of recognising it as a myth/legend, some of you guys see it as a symbol of their twisted ideology, which is simply sad for me but I understand where you are coming from.
I'm Polish, and so are my ancestors, who died fighting against the Germans. Me and my fellow polish players from my alliance would be the last people on loka that would want to promote any form of a neo-version of their ideology. We wanted to use that ally name for the meme, and at the same time not allowing the Aryans to twist the cool idea of that myth. Agartha was NOT their ideological homeland, even tho they very much wanted it to be.
5. So now to respond to the community comments a little bit.
To the ones advocating for bans. @fa1c @shharpp @Kylaz
I believe I've given enough explanation and context in this post and I dont have to repeat myself now. If you are one of the people writing posts and crying in chat about our ally name, I suggest you take the time to educate yourself by writing my post and reconsider your takes.
To @Cryptite
Dear Cryptite. I'd like to start by saying that you decision of removing our ally name is something I can understand. You are very peaceful and want avoid controversy, and well even tho there was no bad intent behind our ally name, we can that see some uneducated people can get the wrong idea, so I understand why you removed it. However telling my buddy @glory that we are lucky that we didn't get banned seems a bit weird for me, and let me explain why. The alliance name was accepted by an elder, I dont know which one, but is that elder also lucky that they aren't getting a ban? Or demoted? I think it was said in the heat of the moment so I understand it, but still getting a message of that sort can spike ones cortisol quite a bit. It did occur to me that the name might get rejected, but I thought that I'll just let you guys be the ones to judge, since I've always trusted your judgement. After all my explanation I belive I've shown that we had 0 bad intentions, and we would appriciate a change to pick a new alliance name. It shouldn't be much of an issue from the technical side of things, and I believe it would be fair, the name was removed to avoid missinterpretation and controversy, so just let us just choose a new one.
what else can I say, @lceSpiice u said "I think ppl should do some background research...", I hope my research is good enough
Thank you very much for taking your time to read this if someone actually did. I hope I shed some extra light on the situation and the history. Whatever you advocated for and whatever you complained about, I believe I got a chance to help you in some way with this post, and possibly changed someones mind.
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fa1c
Active Member
The difference is, you don’t see people actively using Atlantis and whatnot as that type of propaganda. Currently agartha HAS been used in that context, if you cite back to a couple months ago where a neo nazi killed people and wrote “for agartha” on his gun. Atlantis has many more fantasy uses such as in the Percy Jackson books. We all know you knew full well what in connected to. While I admit I was oblivious to the fact of Atlantis being used the same way, do NOT act like you didn’t know the connections it had to that ideology
the_farter123
Active Member
So you can have SS for short?
shharpp
Active Member
are these not just vril / agartha buzzwords?
correct me if i’m wrong, but this isn’t a “mythological” phrase, this is a phrase used by people who still believe in the “aryan ideology”
“the gates of agartha have been breached” means (in their ideology) that their purified source (the aryan race) had been contaminated by other people who weren’t of the aryan race. i looked for any indication where this phrase could be used in the mythological context and i was unsuccessful in finding anything
also, from your previous messages in the hl discord i saw that you have sent a gif of elon musk edited to have blonde hair and blue eyes with hyperborea as the background so i feel like its safe to assume that you knew about the twisted version of this myth and still decided to name an alliance “agartha avengers”
Agartha - Wikipedia
correct me if i had made any false statements / accusations doe
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shharpp
Active Member
just to add the whole “breached the gates to agartha” is just a dog whistle in meme format
the_farter123
Active Member
Could just make it "six" no?
basically the entire thing is false, so ill kinda have to repeat what i said in the original post here, this time tho if you say stuff that will require me to just repeat my previous statements, i wont be responding again. Read with care and understand, let's not just go in circles with the replies ok ok?
1. vril u mean viral or what? if yes then that was the meme part bud, i mentioned it when explaining why we made that ally name
2. obviously breaching the gates of agartha is refering to the tiktok meme, and i don't see how its required to be tied to mythology? And i couldnt find a credible historical source that talks about aryans holding the gate or something
3. My knowledge of the twisted version was mentioned as well, u can take a look at the ending of paragraph 4 "We wanted to use that ally name for the meme, and at the same time not allowing the Aryans to twist the cool idea of that myth. Agartha was NOT their ideological homeland, even tho they very much wanted it to be."
this name was used by the six in the past tho, and I believe it referred to them having 6 ppl in their town at that time
the_farter123
Active Member
I think he meant rvil = evil
shharpp
Active Member
sure! let’s not go in circles. you aren’t fooling anyone. you know what you did and your previous forum post is just a whole bunch of cover-up so you can save some face.
1. all these conspiracy theories - thule, the middle earth, hyperborea, etc is “vril.” https://nymag.com/news/features/conspiracy-theories/nazi-vril-society/
2. once again, “breaching the gates to
agartha” is just a dog whistle in meme format. i know ur trying to make urself look not as bad, but seriously??? not acknowledging this just makes you look worse, bud. the tiktok video that you sent literally references “saving agartha” which is the same thing as “avenging agartha.” since you don’t understand what i said in my previous message, i’ll break it down.
2.1 Aryans believed that Agartha was a hidden civilization in the middle of the earth. they believed that it was home to an ancient “pure ayran race.” They use this as a narrative of decline, and extremists used this narrative and blamed the decline on outsiders.
2.2 comparing the gates to agartha to similar trends
when someone says “the gates of agartha have been breached” and “help us save agartha,” this can be linked with the “Sqve Evrope” trend from late 2024. People who believed in “saving europe” believed that immigrants and other people were making europe worse. do you see the comparison now? in both these extremist trends, there is one major similarity. the similarity is that outsiders are making a “once pure” place “worse.”
2.3 conclusion
“breaching the gates of agartha” is “sqve evrope,” reworded. “breaching the gates” is just another way of saying that “immigrants and outsiders are invading our pure land and making it worse.”
3. now that the meme of “saving / avenging agartha” has been explained, do you understand the backstory about the meme? this meme IS a twisted version of the agartha myth and you ARE “allowing the aryans to twist the cool idea of that myth.”
read with care and understand, let’s not just go in circles with the replies ok ok?
glory
Well-Known Member
bro
I see your logic, most of what you said is down to interpretation, and matching it with save europe is a rather interesting interpretation, which is fine, everyone has the right to have their own view, so I dont think further discussion leads to anything. Have a nice day and I appriciate the fact that you were able to form some sensible words.
And I know that you want to get into the discussion about the impact of migrants, however a political discussion about such matters isn't really supposed to take place on loka forums. Feel free to do you own research and look into that matter, maybe you will discover something interesting