Ronshaud for Slicer

[Cryptite]

Ron failing to be promoted to Slicer was due to his incidents involving his alleged activity with his sister's account.

 

[Artagan]

Ron failing to be promoted to Slicer was due to his incidents involving his alleged activity with his sister's account.

Why was godemox promoted to slicer, despite his alleged hacking as Olixfire? Just because of how long ago it was?

 

[hyhu]

You pasted your earlier reiteration of Ron's past offenses; my response was that Crypt has overlooked people's offenses plenty of times in the past, and that Ron had contributed a lot to the server since then. Your response has been the same every time, just listing the rules he's broken and saying he's shady. Also, we don't actually know why Ron was turned down for his first nomination, but I'd argue that since more time has passed, his past offenses have become less relevant in the face of his activity.

There is a reason my response has been the same everytime, if you actually read his first nomination, it's incredibly obvious that his griefing the town and lying about it then blaming his sister prevented him from becoming a slicer. He wasn't ready for slicer the first time, and since then has again broken the rules and gotten himself in trouble with his sister's account. Which again, I'm very sure he has control over. If the only incident he had was griefing the town, I'd be okay with him getting slicer, since that happened long ago, however he has had more incidents since then.

And yeah, you definitely have ignored what I said about Ron. We've been talking about your reasons for posting your opposition to Ron, and your nomination, and all sorts of other stupid stuff that doesn't really relate to this thread.

Let me remind you that you were the one who implied that I was opposing Ron because he was in Dellsmite/Jedi's friend. As I've already said several times now, although I appreciate the irony of the situation, my reasons for why I believe Ron should not get slicer are legit. I've had to thoroughly explain to you more than once about my nomination because you asked me to.

Of course I don't approve of Ron using his sister's account or whatever.

Yet you believe that someone who should know the rules regarding using accounts to infiltrate, and betraying their town, yet still does it anyway should become slicer?

First off, you don't actually have any way of knowing why Ron wasn't promoted the first time. Second, you said yourself that you didn't know if his rule breaking would have any impact on him being promoted now. Third, you also said that that you were only pointing out Ron's rule breaking because Jedi had pointed out the golden sticker dealio.

Again, read the nomination. It's plainly obvious that him griefing the town and blaming it on his sister did not get him slicer.

See:

Finally, I'd like to acknowledge the fact that Ron may have more recently broken the rules, referring specifically to him using his sister's account and stealing from his townmates. While suspicous, the evidence brought forward thus far doesn't prove that Ron did it, and so can't be held against him in the same sense that his griefing was. What we do know about Ron is that he's insanely active, has brought numerous active players to the server, and regularly participates in every capacity that could be reasonably expected from a much more experienced Lokan.

I've been wanting Psy to present this case, if he doesn't I'll give it a go. I will say now however that when Ron told me his side of the story, I didn't know all the details, and sided with Ron. After talking to Psy about what was stolen and where it was stolen from. The whole incident is too coincidental for it to have been Ron's sister.

Now we're getting silly. The point is, bringing up you being popular/not being popular =/= talking about you raiding dellsmite.



Jedi and Laz voiced their opposition to your application because of the golden stickers, and Laz also said some other stupid stuff unrelated to raiding. Repeating your argument over and over doesn't make it right.



You're right, I do fail to grasp what you're talking about, it's incomprehensible. Seriously what are you trying to say here lol

Unlike most of dellsmite's opposition for me becoming a slicer, it wasn't because they are from a certain town (and in my case because I raided them a ton of times lel), thing with Ronshaud is that he didn't just have the one incident, he's had more, and like I said is an incredibly sketchy player regarding this sister account.

I'm saying, and have been saying, that Ronshaud being in dellsmite/being Jedi's friend has nothing to do with the case I've brought against him. He is simply a very sketchy player. It was you who wanted to debate my nomination. Yes, most of the talk in that nomination was centered around golden stickers, but as I have shown, that was an argument over nothing. They didn't break the rules, and did not encourage rule breaking as they were originally handed out to individuals seeking bans. As for the debate on popularity, it was to prove that the opposition I got was fueled by me raiding, which led to an argument over something not against the rules in an attempt to prevent me from getting slicer. What I'm saying is that my opposition for Ron is not something as petty and non offensive as golden stickers, the guy has plainly broken rules and is sketchy regarding this sister account. I've had to thoroughly explain to you more than once about my nomination because you asked me to.

Again, you said yourself that you didn't actually know if Ron's sketchiness mattered when it came to him being promoted, and that you only mentioned it because of Jedi's post about the golden stickers. Laz's bias honestly comes from the fact that she sees you as being prettier than her and that you shamed her for being a bad admin, not from raiding.

Anyways, I'm not really sure if this disqualifies Ron from becoming a slicer. However, seeing that Jedi is the one who didn't want me to become slicer due to me handing out golden stickers, it seems fair that we shouldn't overlook everything Ron has done.

Reread it. My sarcastic statement draws out the irony of the situation. My case against Ron isn't as petty as golden stickers, he's broken rules and is a sketchy player. I've even provided a screenshot of him allowing us into Laz's vault for heaven's sake. As for what you believe Laz's bias comes from, I became slicer before she knew what I looked like, and my complaint about her being a bad mod all happened after I was slicer. Her bias comes from me raiding her town.

Getting tired of saying this: you said yourself that you didn't know if Ron's rule breaking mattered when it came to him being promoted, and that you were only pointing it out because of Jedi's comment about the golden stickers. And when it comes to the screenshot, it technically is not against the rules for you, Psy, and Ron to be standing in Laz's vault together, and that's all that the screenshot actually proves.

I have to be honest I laughed. First of all, read above. Second of all, look at the screenshot. Psy and I are not invisible, we didn't follow him in there without him knowing. Do you see Ron attacking us out of surprise of us being in the vault? No, he let us in. The fact that Psy, Ron and I are standing in Laz's vault is clear evidence that we were peacefully let in by Ron.

 

[hyhu]

Ron failing to be promoted to Slicer was due to his incidents involving his alleged activity with his sister's account.

and here I've been saying the same thing

 

[Artagan]

There is a reason my response has been the same everytime, if you actually read his first nomination, it's incredibly obvious that his griefing the town and lying about it then blaming his sister prevented him from becoming a slicer. He wasn't ready for slicer the first time, and since then has again broken the rules and gotten himself in trouble with his sister's account. Which again, I'm very sure he has control over. If the only incident he had was griefing the town, I'd be okay with him getting slicer, since that happened long ago, however he has had more incidents since then.

This pretty much summarizes our back-and-forth thus far talking about Ron deserving slicer: You point out that Ron has broken the rules, I say there's a precedent for people who broke the rules to be promoted to slicer. Then you just repeat, Ron has broken these rules, and I say again, that it happened awhile back and that he's active and blah blah blah. Then you reply to me, that again, Ron has broken the rules. I am getting kinda sick of this.

Let me remind you that you were the one who implied that I was opposing Ron because he was in Dellsmite/Jedi's friend. As I've already said several times now, although I appreciate the irony of the situation, my reasons for why I believe Ron should not get slicer are legit. I've had to thoroughly explain to you more than once about my nomination because you asked me to.

If your reasons for opposing Ron are "legit", then why'd you clarify in your first post that you were only pointing out Ron's history with breaking the rules because of Jedi's comments about you giving out golden stickers? Apparently your response to other people pointing out what you've already said is to debate the issue ad nauseam, and god has this dragged on for a long time.

Yet you believe that someone who should know the rules regarding using accounts to infiltrate, and betraying their town, yet still does it anyway should become slicer?

Oh yeah totally, I think exactly that, hit the nail on the head. If we definitely knew that Ron had used an alt account as an insider to betray a town, he'd be banned right now and thank god we wouldn't be having this lengthy debate.

Again, read the nomination. It's plainly obvious that him griefing the town and blaming it on his sister did not get him slicer.

Before Crypt shed light on it in this thread, we couldn't have known exactly why Ron's application wasn't accepted; now knowing that it was in fact rejected because of his sketchy past behavior, I'll stand by my point that it's been ages and that Ron has contributed loads of his time and energy to the server.

I've been wanting Psy to present this case, if he doesn't I'll give it a go. I will say now however that when Ron told me his side of the story, I didn't know all the details, and sided with Ron. After talking to Psy about what was stolen and where it was stolen from. The whole incident is too coincidental for it to have been Ron's sister.

Like I said, we don't actually know yet, and if Crypt determines he did and bans him then it's a moot point.

It was you who wanted to debate my nomination.

kek

I'm saying, and have been saying, that Ronshaud being in dellsmite/being Jedi's friend has nothing to do with the case I've brought against him. He is simply a very sketchy player. It was you who wanted to debate my nomination. Yes, most of the talk in that nomination was centered around golden stickers, but as I have shown, that was an argument over nothing. They didn't break the rules, and did not encourage rule breaking as they were originally handed out to individuals seeking bans. As for the debate on popularity, it was to prove that the opposition I got was fueled by me raiding, which led to an argument over something not against the rules in an attempt to prevent me from getting slicer. What I'm saying is that my opposition for Ron is not something as petty and non offensive as golden stickers, the guy has plainly broken rules and is sketchy regarding this sister account. I've had to thoroughly explain to you more than once about my nomination because you asked me to.

Oh my god, I wanna barf we've been over this exact same thing a million times. You said, yourself, that you didn't actually know whether or not Ron's shadiness mattered with him being promoted. And now you just keep saying over and over that you're purely opposed to his promotion because of his shadiness. And you even said why you mentioned it despite you not being sure if it mattered; because of Jedi and the golden stickers and qegpuhqegpwqehgw this is getting exhausting just read your first post jesus mary and joseph

I don't care about you giving out golden stickers. Start handing out scientology books at spawn, do whatever, I don't care, I disagree with Jedi about it, we've been over this. And jesus, we've also been over the fact that nobody actually talked about you raiding anybody in your nomination thread. We're just going through motions now.

I have to be honest I laughed. First of all, read above. Second of all, look at the screenshot. Psy and I are not invisible, we didn't follow him in there without him knowing. Do you see Ron attacking us out of surprise of us being in the vault? No, he let us in. The fact that Psy, Ron and I are standing in Laz's vault is clear evidence that we were peacefully let in by Ron.

Actually, it's not; fka and dellsmite were allied around the time of that picture, according to what I've gleaned from talking to all of y'all in that skype call yesterday. Laz seemed to be under the impression that Ron was giving you a tour. Granted, you guys being in the vault is sketchy, but it doesn't prove that he's helping you rob it and it definitely doesn't prove that he let you in. Maybe you guys are just having a picnic in there.

Can we not make this conversation into a test of endurance? Christ this has dragged on for two days fml

 

[hyhu]

Everything you said was answered in what you quoted me. I can choose to answer you with the quotes you used. Seriously, that's ridiculous. I have answered everything above more than once. Read.

This however is just beyond the realm of stupid.

Actually, it's not; fka and dellsmite were allied around the time of that picture, according to what I've gleaned from talking to all of y'all in that skype call yesterday. Laz seemed to be under the impression that Ron was giving you a tour. Granted, you guys being in the vault is sketchy, but it doesn't prove that he's helping you rob it and it definitely doesn't prove that he let you in. Maybe you guys are just having a picnic in there.

15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it.
Look at the screenshot. How do you imagine that Psy and I, two FKA members not on the Dellsmite gen got into Laz's vault? Can't enderpearl in there, I can tell you that. Oh wait, who is that guy in the screenshot with build permissions in Dellsmite? Oh, right. It's Ronshaud, because he's the one who let us in. Do you see any other person with build permissions here? Well even though psy and I, known raiders have been allowed in the vault, I wonder who took all of Lazuli's lapis blocks, nether quartz and obsidian, along with other goodies? Maybe the raid of a sealed obsidian vault could have been prevented if a certain townie knew this rule 15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it.

If you look closely, you will see that some chests have been opened before I thought to screenshot this little piece of history, and that I managed to capture Psy taking from a chest while Ron looks idly on.

 

[Artagan]

Everything you said was answered in what you quoted me. I can choose to answer you with the quotes you used. Seriously, that's ridiculous. I have answered everything above more than once. Read.

This however is just beyond the realm of stupid.


15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it.
Look at the screenshot. How do you imagine that Psy and I, two FKA members not on the Dellsmite gen got into Laz's vault? Can't enderpearl in there, I can tell you that. Oh wait, who is that guy in the screenshot with build permissions in Dellsmite? Oh, right. It's Ronshaud, because he's the one who let us in. Do you see any other person with build permissions here? Well even though psy and I, known raiders have been allowed in the vault, I wonder who took all of Lazuli's lapis blocks, nether quartz and obsidian, along with other goodies? Maybe the raid of a sealed obsidian vault could have been prevented if a certain townie knew this rule 15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it.


If you look closely, you will see that some chests have been opened before I thought to screenshot this little piece of history, and that I managed to capture Psy taking from a chest while Ron looks idly on.

According to Laz, Ron was taking two members of FKA, a town allied to Dellsmite, on a tour. If you recall, Psy took Ron and Jedi on a tour through FKA and showed them all of his diamonds and valuables. Yeah, of course it looks suspicious that they're down there, but it doesn't actually prove that Ron is helping them rob the place, or even that he opened it.

Can we not make this conversation into a test of endurance? Christ this has dragged on for two days fml

 

[hyhu]

Reread the entire thread. You'll see that everything, everything, I've already answered multiple times. Your main point against me is that I have some motive unrelated to Ron that's causing me to oppose him from becoming a slicer. You completely disregard my case against him, saying that Crypt has overlooked offenses in the past, ignore me mentioning several times that Ron's been rejected for his offenses the first time, and only when Crypt confirms what I've been saying do you say "Before Crypt shed light on it in this thread, we couldn't have known exactly why Ron's application wasn't accepted" despite the first nomination I was referring to so often has clearly mentioned Ron's griefing the town, and even had a link to his sketchy ban appeal. Your points are moot.

According to Laz, Ron was taking two members of FKA, a town allied to Dellsmite, on a tour. If you recall, Psy took Ron and Jedi on a tour through FKA and showed them all of his diamonds and valuables. Yeah, of course it looks suspicious that they're down there, but it doesn't actually prove that Ron is helping them rob the place, or even that he opened it.

It wasn't a tour, and that doesn't explain how Psy and I were opening chests and stealing right in front of Ron, while he does nothing (and if you view both screenshots I've provided, you'll see that Ron has changed position and taken off his armor, proving he is not afk).

Glad you brought up the FKA tour, I'll get more into the recent fiasco with Ron's sister's account. To start off, I've lived in FKA for months, and until the FKA tour we gave Dellsmite I myself did not know that the particular vault that was stolen from was there. It's well hidden. The people who were on the FKA tour were Psy, Crew, Jedi, Ron and I. We were the only people who were shown the hidden vault, and we were all on call. There was no sister heard or mentioned from Ron's side of the call. Fast forward a bit and Ron's sister join's FKA, and knows exactly where a well hidden vault is and decides to take (according to ron) 2 stack of diamond blocks "because she needed diamonds" as well as an item unrelated to her huge need for diamonds, a netherstar named "the gift of endurance". Ron's sister account then proceeded to transfer diamond blocks to Ron's account as well as return the gift of endurance to Lea, its past owner. How did the sister know exactly where a well hidden vault was, one that had been coincidentally shown to Ron during a tour (and let me say again no sister was heard nor mentioned during the call) and how did she know what the gift of endurance was and who to return it to? Let's not forget that Ronshaud benefitted a large deal of diamonds from this, and if had not been caught, would Ron have given the diamonds back? This situation is too sketchy to pass off as coincidence.

 

[Artagan]

You completely disregard my case against him, saying that Crypt has overlooked offenses in the past, ignore me mentioning several times that Ron's been rejected for his offenses the first time, and only when Crypt confirms what I've been saying do you say "Before Crypt shed light on it in this thread, we couldn't have known exactly why Ron's application wasn't accepted" despite the first nomination I was referring to so often has clearly mentioned Ron's griefing the town, and even had a link to his sketchy ban appeal.

Ron being rejected for breaking the rules the first time doesn't mean he can't be promoted; as I've said, people who've been banned for worse offenses have been promoted in the past, and in Ron's case even more time has passed and he's contributed far more than any of those previous cases. If you'd prefer that no one who broke major rules like that was ever promoted, that's fine, but evidently Crypt doesn't share that opinion.

Your main point against me is that I have some motive unrelated to Ron that's causing me to oppose him from becoming a slicer.

Actually my main point is that Ron's rule violations occurred awhile ago and that there are plenty of redeeming qualities for him. You've chosen to focus on when I pointed out that you were only mentioning Ron's rule breaking because of Jedi. You said that, not me. I've done nothing with that beyond repeat what you yourself said.

It wasn't a tour, and that doesn't explain how Psy and I were opening chests and stealing right in front of Ron, while he does nothing (and if you view both screenshots I've provided, you'll see that Ron has changed position and taken off his armor, proving he is not afk).

When Psy gave Jedi and Ron a tour of FKA, he showed them diamonds and other loot in his chests. If Laz and Ron aren't lying, that's what's going in that screenie, and right now we don't have any other hard evidence to know one way or the other.

Glad you brought up the FKA tour, I'll get more into the recent fiasco with Ron's sister's account. To start off, I've lived in FKA for months, and until the FKA tour we gave Dellsmite I myself did not know that the particular vault that was stolen from was there. It's well hidden. The people who were on the FKA tour were Psy, Crew, Jedi, Ron and I. We were the only people who were shown the hidden vault, and we were all on call. There was no sister heard or mentioned from Ron's side of the call. Fast forward a bit and Ron's sister join's FKA, and knows exactly where a well hidden vault is and decides to take (according to ron) 2 stack of diamond blocks "because she needed diamonds" as well as an item unrelated to her huge need for diamonds, a netherstar named "the gift of endurance". Ron's sister account then proceeded to transfer diamond blocks to Ron's account as well as return the gift of endurance to Lea, its past owner. How did the sister know exactly where a well hidden vault was, one that had been coincidentally shown to Ron during a tour (and let me say again no sister was heard nor mentioned during the call) and how did she know what the gift of endurance was and who to return it to? Let's not forget that Ronshaud benefitted a large deal of diamonds from this, and if had not been caught, would Ron have given the diamonds back? This situation is too sketchy to pass off as coincidence.

There's no saving this. It's done. If that's true, and it can easily be corroborated by the admins involved, then why the hell isn't he banned yet? And why wasn't this been mentioned sooner? For the laz vault incident, at least there are conflicting stories and technically no hard evidence for him actually betraying Dellsmite. But this, this is something Crypt could easily just look at and just reach for the ban hammer. When did this even happen? Honestly if that's true he's so retarded it doesn't matter anymore.

 

[hyhu]

Ron being rejected for breaking the rules the first time doesn't mean he can't be promoted; as I've said, people who've been banned for worse offenses have been promoted in the past, and in Ron's case even more time has passed and he's contributed far more than any of those previous cases. If you'd prefer that no one who broke major rules like that was ever promoted, that's fine, but evidently Crypt doesn't share that opinion.

I've said this enough times to quote myself, so I will.

He wasn't ready for slicer the first time, and since then has again broken the rules and gotten himself in trouble with his sister's account. Which again, I'm very sure he has control over. If the only incident he had was griefing the town, I'd be okay with him getting slicer, since that happened long ago, however he has had more incidents since then.

and Psy mentioned this when we were talking about the details of Ron's sister's account betraying FKA: [7/27/2014 6:45:09 PM] Psychedelic98: Crypt didn't doubt any of this, he felt that him waiting to be slicer was punishment enough

Actually my main point is that Ron's rule violations occurred awhile ago and that there are plenty of redeeming qualities for him. You've chosen to focus on when I pointed out that you were only mentioning Ron's rule breaking because of Jedi. You said that, not me. I've done nothing with that beyond repeat what you yourself said.

I've responded to, and answered every point you've come up with, and all your points are moot.

When Psy gave Jedi and Ron a tour of FKA, he showed them diamonds and other loot in his chests. If Laz and Ron aren't lying, that's what's going in that screenie, and right now we don't have any other hard evidence to know one way or the other.

What? Psy showing off his vault is way different than what you are claiming Ron did with Laz's vault. Psy, crew and I were all present to make sure the viewing was just a viewing, unlike what you claim was a tour in Dellsmite, Laz is not present to show off her own vault. If I were to show my vault to anyone, I'd be sure to be there and watch. Besides, a tour of Dellsmite doesn't make sense does it? Especially when it's only Psy and I present, and we've definitely given ourselves a tour of the town plenty of times. Second sentence, I don't think you finished what you were trying to say. If they aren't lying that's what's going on in that screenie what? What you see from the screenshot is obvious, Psy and I have clearly been opening and taking from chests in Laz's vault right in front of Ron. Considering that I'm the only one providing evidence, and you're just running by word of mouth of events you were not present at, by people who are known to be predisposed to rant incoherently when something upsets them (true for Laz, not really so for Ron) and to change their story, the only side that is unclear is yours.

There's no saving this. It's done. If that's true, and it can easily be corroborated by the admins involved, then why the hell isn't he banned yet? And why wasn't this been mentioned sooner? For the laz vault incident, at least there are conflicting stories and technically no hard evidence for him actually betraying Dellsmite. But this, this is something Crypt could easily just look at and just reach for the ban hammer. When did this even happen? Honestly if that's true he's so retarded it doesn't matter anymore.

Psy mentioned this when we were talking about the details of Ron's sister's account betraying FKA: [7/27/2014 6:45:09 PM] Psychedelic98: Crypt didn't doubt any of this, he felt that him waiting to be slicer was punishment enough

To be honest there's a good chance that Ron will get slicer, because while the guy is sketchy as fuck, slicer isn't a position of authority, even though they are supposed to know the rules and the server well. That and to prevent another lengthy debate like this for a 3rd nomination, since Ron's probably going to have more run ins with the law in the future. Although the case against him is stronk, it's definitely easier to just give him slicer and be done with it. Him achieving sentry will be a challenge though. GG, yes RE?

 

[Artagan]

and Psy mentioned this when we were talking about the details of Ron's sister's account betraying FKA: [7/27/2014 6:45:09 PM] Psychedelic98: Crypt didn't doubt any of this, he felt that him waiting to be slicer was punishment enough

Psy mentioned this when we were talking about the details of Ron's sister's account betraying FKA: [7/27/2014 6:45:09 PM] Psychedelic98: Crypt didn't doubt any of this, he felt that him waiting to be slicer was punishment enough

I wasn't present for that conversation, so I wouldn't know. If you mean when I brought you and Psy into the call the other day to talk about Ron betraying dellsmite, we didn't talk about that. Granted you might have while I was afk, but I don't think so.

What? Psy showing off his vault is way different than what you are claiming Ron did with Laz's vault. Psy, crew and I were all present to make sure the viewing was just a viewing, unlike what you claim was a tour in Dellsmite, Laz is not present to show off her own vault. If I were to show my vault to anyone, I'd be sure to be there and watch. Besides, a tour of Dellsmite doesn't make sense does it? Especially when it's only Psy and I present, and we've definitely given ourselves a tour of the town plenty of times. Second sentence, I don't think you finished what you were trying to say. If they aren't lying that's what's going on in that screenie what? What you see from the screenshot is obvious, Psy and I have clearly been opening and taking from chests in Laz's vault right in front of Ron. Considering that I'm the only one providing evidence, and you're just running by word of mouth of events you were not present at, by people who are known to be predisposed to rant incoherently when something upsets them (true for Laz, not really so for Ron) and to change their story, the only side that is unclear is yours.

I actually have never personally said, yes, Ron was just taking you guys on a tour. I said Laz said it, and I said that the evidence you provided didn't disprove her claim. So because Ron was alone with you two, it's impossible for him to have just been showing you the vault? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying. It was a good thing for Psy to have people with him when he showed Jedi and Ron his vault, that doesn't make it absolutely impossible for him, or anyone, to have done it alone. And just because you provide evidence to back up your claim doesn't put the evidence, and your claim itself, above scrutiny.

I've responded to, and answered every point you've come up with, and all your points are moot.

We've pretty much just bounced the same argument back and forth at each other over and over with slight variations. At this point I don't have the energy to rehash why I disagree with you, so I'll just leave it where it lies.

 

[hyhu]

I wasn't present for that conversation, so I wouldn't know. If you mean when I brought you and Psy into the call the other day to talk about Ron betraying dellsmite, we didn't talk about that. Granted you might have while I was afk, but I don't think so.

>Implying I can't private message
I was in your call for what felt like 3 minutes, and all you guys were talking about was cyber bullying. Interesting that you mention you weren't present for the conversation, seems to me you weren't present for almost everything mentioned in this thread.

I actually have never personally said, yes, Ron was just taking you guys on a tour. I said Laz said it, and I said that the evidence you provided didn't disprove her claim. So because Ron was alone with you two, it's impossible for him to have just been showing you the vault? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying. It was a good thing for Psy to have people with him when he showed Jedi and Ron his vault, that doesn't make it absolutely impossible for him, or anyone, to have done it alone. And just because you provide evidence to back up your claim doesn't put the evidence, and your claim itself, above scrutiny.

The side of the story you're saying doesn't make sense. Why would Laz allow her vault to be shown to two known raiders without her being there? That's just asking to be stolen from, and that's exactly what happened. Laz is the one who wanted the glass dome to be put up in Dellsmite, you would think someone so cautious about security for her town would be cautious about the security of her sealed obisidian vault?

We've pretty much just bounced the same argument back and forth at each other over and over with slight variations. At this point I don't have the energy to rehash why I disagree with you, so I'll just leave it where it lies.

It must have been hard to argue events you hardly know about.

 

[Artagan]

>Implying I can't private message
I was in your call for maybe 3 minutes, and all you guys were talking about was cyber bullying. Interesting that you mention you weren't present for the conversation, seems to me you weren't present for almost everything mentioned in this thread.

Mhm, I wasn't present the events we've been talking about. You're totally right about that.

The side of the story you're saying doesn't make sense. Why would Laz allow her vault to be shown to two known raiders without her being there? That's just asking to be stolen from, and that's exactly what happened. Laz is the one who wanted the glass dome to be put up in Dellsmite, you would think someone so cautious about security for her town would be cautious about the security of her sealed obisidian vault?

Laz said that Ron was taking the two of you on a tour. She apparently didn't know that he showed you guys her vault. Evidently Ron's retarded, so maybe he actually did just show you without telling her, and without robbing it.

It must have been hard to argue events you hardly know about.

Yeah, it's been tough. My back is still aching from when I pulled it the other day and went to the ER, so throw that into checking this thread and typing walls of text and it hasn't exactly been easy. Thanks for your concern though.

 

[hyhu]

Mhm, I wasn't present the events we've been talking about. You're totally right about that.



Laz said that Ron was taking the two of you on a tour. She apparently didn't know that he showed you guys her vault. Evidently Ron's retarded, so maybe he actually did just show you without telling her, and without robbing it.



Yeah, it's been tough. My back is still aching from when I pulled it the other day and went to the ER, so throw that into checking this thread and typing walls of text and it hasn't exactly been easy. Thanks for your concern though.

Pity points will get you nowhere, and you seemed to be perfectly fine during the call.

 

[Artagan]

Pity points will get you nowhere, and you seemed to be perfectly fine during the call.

Yup, I sound just fine, and honestly it's not a big deal. Thanks for the advice!

 

[hyhu]

Conclusion:
Ronshaud has been a player on loka for several months now. While he is active, talks to others and is active on the forums, he is incredibly sketchy.
As mentioned above, he griefed a town and then blamed it on his sister (which I'll get into in a bit), claimed to have lost diamond armor and some other items during a server restart and demanded them back (think this case has happened more than once actually), that fiasco with his sister joining psy's town and stealing diamond blocks and other items from him, then giving the items to Ron's account and friends of dellsmite, and broke this rule 15.2. You cannot assist anyone in getting into any part of your town or stealing from it. during a raid when he let us into the homes of several dellsmiters and into Lazuli's vault(which took a big hit). I'm also not sure of that fact that his sister is really the one behind some of the drama here, looking back at a conversation with Fat, it's possible that Ronshaud has access to his "sister's" account, and tries to get away with a couple of things with it.
[20:25:09 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Well the other day he asked for coming in my town to visit, asked a couple times
[20:25:26 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] And his "sister" account logged in and pestered me to visit my town
[20:25:39 INFO] [[Slicer] FatPoulet -> me] Like ... begged

Evidently Ron's retarded

GG Art

Now there's a good chance that Ron will get slicer, because while the guy is sketchy as fuck, slicer isn't a position of authority, even though they are supposed to know the rules and the server well. That and to prevent another lengthy debate like this for a 3rd nomination, since Ron's probably going to have more run ins with the law in the future. Although the case against him is stronk, it's definitely easier to just give him slicer and be done with it. Him achieving sentry will be a challenge though.

 

[Artagan]

Whether or not retardation is a factor in being promoted to Slicer is a whole 'nother thread.

I think the fact that you copy pasted your first post, and then removed the part where you said you were only posting because of Jedi, encapsulates the way this entire conversation has gone perfectly. GG

 

[hyhu]

Whether or not retardation is a factor in being promoted to Slicer is a whole 'nother thread.

I think the fact that you copy pasted your first post, and then removed the part where you said you were only posting because of Jedi, encapsulates the way this entire conversation has gone perfectly. GG

I've already pointed out the irony of the situation with it, why would I include it in the conclusion? Instead of being able to defend Ron properly, in the end you call him retarded. Kek.

 

[Artagan]

Instead of being able to defend Ron properly, in the end you call him retarded. Kek.

Defend him properly. Got it, I'll be sure to do better in the future. I always appreciate constructive criticism.

 

[hyhu]

Defend him properly. Got it, I'll be sure to do better in the future. I always appreciate constructive criticism.

Would be beneficial to your case if you refrained from calling the person you're defending retarded.