Spawn Stealing

[Unallowed]

Spawn Stealing

I have decided to bring up a recent event that has happened in Loka's Community. Loka has a rule about spawn stealing at spawn. In our opinion this rule has not been interpreted properly regarding the ruling of this recent event.

The event started out as a joke from player "sSteak" and "Obstinance". sSteak was just messing around with Obstinance by dropping a shulker on the ground and then proceeding to pick it back up before Obstinance could. Then sSteak would say in local chat "Bad ping" or something of a similar meaning to Obstinance. However, after sSteak dropped it the 6th time, Obstinance agro-pearled (Aggressive Pearl) on to the shulker. He then proceeded to pick up the shulker and take it to his town. Steak asked for the shulker back before Obstinance went to his town. Obstinance, however, did not give the shulker back.

In our opinion, the value of the contents inside the shulker changes the situation drastically on both sides. If the shulker was basically empty with little to no contents, Obstinance would have most likely given the shulker back to Steak without any hesitation. Also, if the shulker was empty Steak would have not cared for the shulker. The shulker itself, from what I've been told had contents of around 12-13 Lored Swords, and 2 Lored Bows (one being a no longer craftable bow; Infinity, Mending.)

The rule referring to the idea of "Stealing from spawn is not allowed" seems to have not been fairly ruled. The rule states that you are not allowed to steal from spawn if a person asks for the said item back. Cryptite has acknowledged that this event constitutes spawn stealing, but that the items shouldn't be returned because of sSteak meming beforehand. "Ok, you're clear to keep it, since he was memeing. Even though it's technically stealing at spawn, the fact that he was taunting you with it, as far as we're concerned, is his fault and too damned bad." We believe that the items should be returned to sSteak and we should all go forward acknowledging that there were mistakes on both sides, and with the full understanding that this won't happen in the future.

 

[Kaph]

+1

I agree fully with Unallowed here. The shulker was clearly not intended to be given to Obstinance, and therefore quite blatantly constitutes stealing from spawn. Cryptite seems to have acknowledged this - yet dismissed it for seemingly no reason. In all honesty, it's quite disappointing to see this conduct from the admin team. It's arbitrary, inconsistent, and careless. As a reminder, the Loka rules state:

"9.3 Don't steal from players at spawn."

 

[GoodAtTheGame]

+1

I don't understand why memeing around would negate the fact that it is spawn stealing. The only reason he was memeing around in the first place was because he assumed the fact that it was safe to do so (which it is based on the rules).

 

[GANGMEMBERAVA]

I do see both sides to this situation. sSteak was taunting Obstinance when he was throwing it out and taking it before andre could; however, I believe that Obstinance should have to give the shulker back, as it is a rule that you can't steal from other players at spawn. If he didn't give consent to take and keep the shulker, then he did steal it. Anyways, I do not agree with Obstinance keeping the shulker, therefore it is a +1 for me.

 

[Inapplicable]

The tank of Horsia vs Cryptite is a fight I’d pay to see

 

[Wemb]

+1

It should be somewhat understood that if you dont want your things taken, you shouldnt mess around and drop them to people at spawn. Although, there is nothing clearly stating that if you are joking around and dropping things to people at spawn, they have full right to take it. Cryptite said that under rule 6.3., Do not purposefully agitate or disrupt the community by means of Trolling, harassment, or sarcasm, it is alright for Obstinance to keep the items. I respectfully disagree with this situation, because it does not seem like that should be considered as trolling, harassment, or sarcasm. sSteak was simply joking around with someone he thought was his friend, when his friend stole his items at spawn and got away with it.

 

[Inapplicable]

Y’all need to step out of the ring and let these two go one on one

 

[Obstinance]

I haven't even read the whole thing and it's already wrong, steak didn't ask before I left, he even said himself he didn't pm me until after I went through the portal. You see, when someone is fully aware they're giving you something and drops it to you 1 on 1 it's really their own stupidity, especially since he decided to use a shulker filled with lore items for a "meme." If this wasn't different then just a normal stealing case I would've been ordered to give it back immediately. I'm pretty sure if steak had stated he I wasn't meant to keep the items before hand and not after the fact the outcome would've swayed in your favour. The items are already going to be out of my possession soon and cryptite and magpie made it clear that once a decision becomes final there's no going back, the only thing you can do now is the to prevent it from happening in the future with a stricter set of rules and making close contact with staff for further prevention.

 

[Mrp]

It seems strange to acknowledge that a player stole from another player at spawn but make an offhanded ruling that (to my knowledge) has never been made before. Regardless if this has been an issue in the past it seems like the kind of situation that deserves a warning before allowing another player to keep someones most valuable possessions. In my opinion this is far too harsh as steak obviously had 0 intention of relinquishing a shulker full of his lore. Hopefully there are details that I am unaware of in this situation that would have led to this harsh of a punishment.

You see, when someone is fully aware they're giving you something and drops it to you 1 on 1 it's really their own stupidity, especially since he decided to use a shulker filled with lore items for a "meme."

Am I to understand from what you wrote that you thought steak wanted you to keep all of his lore items? That you took them thinking they were a gift he wanted you to have?

 

[bat3415]

The items are already out of my possession

Gotta jump in here, that doesn't make it impossible to have the items returned, just adds a few extra steps.

 

[Obstinance]

It seems strange to acknowledge that a player stole from another player at spawn but make an offhanded ruling that (to my knowledge) has never been made before. Regardless if this has been an issue in the past it seems like the kind of situation that deserves a warning before allowing another player to keep someones most valuable possessions. In my opinion this is far too harsh as steak obviously had 0 intention of relinquishing a shulker full of his lore. Hopefully there are details that I am unaware of in this situation that would have led to this harsh of a punishment.



Am I to understand from what you wrote that you thought steak wanted you to keep all of his lore items? That you took them thinking they were a gift he wanted you to have?

No, but I definitely didn't think I had to give them back. But him saying nothing except "get ping" till I got back to my town, someone could've interpreted that in anyway.

 

[Unallowed]

No, but I definitely didn't think I had to give them back. But him saying nothing except "get ping" till I got back to my town, someone could've interpreted that in anyway.

 

[Obstinance]

Gotta jump in here, that doesn't make it impossible to have the items returned, just adds a few extra steps.

This debate is already unnecessary, everyone's opinion was already voiced before the decision, I don't see what restating them does.

 

[Obstinance]

Oh yes, chat logs, not while I was in spawn

 

[Obstinance]

It seems strange to acknowledge that a player stole from another player at spawn but make an offhanded ruling that (to my knowledge) has never been made before. Regardless if this has been an issue in the past it seems like the kind of situation that deserves a warning before allowing another player to keep someones most valuable possessions. In my opinion this is far too harsh as steak obviously had 0 intention of relinquishing a shulker full of his lore. Hopefully there are details that I am unaware of in this situation that would have led to this harsh of a punishment.



Am I to understand from what you wrote that you thought steak wanted you to keep all of his lore items? That you took them thinking they were a gift he wanted you to have?

Pretty sure loka does that thing where if you've played for long enough you don't need a warning

 

[Unallowed]

Pretty sure loka does that thing where if you've played for long enough you don't need a warning

For rules that have a precedent backing them, and have been publicly known, yes, for a precedent that pops up out of the blue and a rule never applied in that way before, no, it could not be assumed that you know it from being on the server long enough.

 

[Obstinance]

Excuse the language but you can clearly see even steak doesn't share your opinion.

 

[Unallowed]

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Excuse the language but you can clearly see even steak doesn't share your opinion.

That was 2 days after you took the shulker, and Steak was attempting to make it seem less to him to try and make its value seem less to you. This was also after Cryptite explicitly stated that you should keep the items.

 

[Obstinance]

That was 2 days after you took the shulker, and Steak was attempting to make it seem less to him to try and make its value seem less to you. This was also after Cryptite explicitly stated that you should keep the items.

All you had to say was that you think he's in denial. He definitely wasn't trying to make it seem less valuable to me since he offered over a dub of shard clusters. Cryptite saying I can keep them doesn't mean he's obligated to agree. If you all truly believe that I acquired his shulker in an illegitimate way, why would steak try to devalue the shulker in hopes of me returning it? If I got it illegitimately then why couldn’t you just ask the admins to return it?

 

[TimeCentaur]

The way I see it is if you keep dropping an item on purpose at spawn when there is always the risk of someone stealing it, then having it get stolen is somewhat your own fault. If sSteak had been trading the shulker's contents with someone and someone like Obstinance aggro pearled at it, then sure that's stealing, but when you knowingly drop the shulker multiple times besides someone you don't intend on giving the item to and they get hold of it, that's on you.