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[Cryptite]

I'd like this thread to be a serious discussion about how you guys think the server is running, and, more important, things you'd like changed; either because they're broken, unfair, or whatever the reason. There're a lot of ideas running around and alot of them only make it to one person and then sometimes die. I think it's only fair that people should be able to publicly voice their opinions here and open them up for discussion.

Kindly only post suggestions, etc of things that are realistic, not ICBM warfare, etc. Keep it civil, let's not have this devolve into a flame war, this thread is meant to be a place where admins can voice their opinions on some of the ideas being thrown around at present, so that everybody can see what the current zeitgeist of Loka is.

Okay, go!

 

[JocelynReed]

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The desire for balance
I believe that the server needs to be more balanced. Towns are op and tip the scale. Lets give thieves some tools back

I request for:

1. Boating to be allowed again (outside spawn protection)
2. Block jumping to be allowed (outside spawn protection)
4. Chests not be allowed to have a block over them
5. Ender pearls to be enabled (outside spawn protection)


The server needs balance.

think about it folks

 

[mopb3]

On the thieves side of things, I've never been much of a fan of just being able to put dirt over chests to protect the contents from being stolen, that always seemed a bit overkill.

But then if I had my way, gens wouldn't exist at all and we would all have to hide our things and live like hermits so I guess my view on the matters kinda biased

 

[shadewguy]

I think that stealing is good and we should all do it k?

 

[Mtndome]

On the thieves side of things, I've never been much of a fan of just being able to put dirt over chests to protect the contents from being stolen, that always seemed a bit overkill.

But then if I had my way, gens wouldn't exist at all and we would all have to hide our things and live like hermits so I guess my view on the matters kinda biased

This. So much this. I disagree with having to live as hermits, but I like hiding all the things.

 

[Magpieman]

I doubt we will enable ender pearls, unless there are very strong arguments for them. (they also come with there own bugs) Boating, yeah thats even less likely to happen. With regards to chests not being blocked i have championed this idea for a while as blocking chests is the same as locking them with a mod which is no fun at all. Block jumping is an interesting one, i dont have strong views about it either way. I would be curious to see peoples arguments for and against it. Also i hear all the time gens are over powered but am yet to hear a way of not making them op. (i dont think gens are op)

 

[mopb3]

Gens are overpowered because combined with a reasonably intelligent mind, and lots of diamonds they make someone and all their stuff completely safe?

I just hate that people can protect themselves like that, and I hate paying for it ofc....

And as far as balance goes, anyone who tries to say there should be balance etc really doesn't know the server, its always been geared more towards thieves and secret hoarders than town owners and anyone else,

"No land or chest protection. Survive or be killed. Horde and hide or be poor. Defend or die. Build rights granted when you reach The Artifact."
I daresay, we've turned this server soft Mag with all the protection at people fingertips.

 

[Cryptite]

Terribly busy at work these days, but I'll be posting a full compendium of my thoughts on this stuff as soon as I can.

 

[JocelynReed]

. Also i hear all the time gens are over powered but am yet to hear a way of not making them op. (i dont think gens are op)

I made the suggestions below to counteract the op gens. v

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The desire for balance

I request for:

1. Boating to be allowed again (outside spawn protection)
2. Block jumping to be allowed (outside spawn protection)
4. Chests not be allowed to have a block over them
5. Ender pearls to be enabled (outside spawn protection)


The server needs balance.

In no way am I suggesting we do away with gens. I personally like gens and prefer HC remain gen protected. But thieves do need more tools to work with and I feel the suggestions I have made above will decrease the OP nature of town gens.

 

[MrAlchemy]

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The desire for balance
I believe that the server needs to be more balanced. Towns are op and tip the scale. Lets give thieves some tools back

I request for:

1. Boating to be allowed again (outside spawn protection)
2. Block jumping to be allowed (outside spawn protection)
4. Chests not be allowed to have a block over them
5. Ender pearls to be enabled (outside spawn protection)


The server needs balance.

think about it folks

Dear lord...
No no no no no.

Yes thieves walk a fine line, because they alter another's gaming experience! The golden rule applies even in this virtual world... "Treat others as you would like to be treated"

What if all this stuff you want to happen went down and one of us admins had an alt account. We would know where all your stuff is, we would know where you are, and could cover all of the angles... God forbid someone invites a terrible gang of professional pvpers onto the server and watch the chaos ensue, as they sure wouldnt break any rules.

Think of all the xraying that will go down when people are raiding to find your unprotected chests (as there would be no way to protect them)

Loka needs an area where bloodshed and theft is a-ok, but not everywhere. I suggest another realm where things are a bit bloodier and evil and we could roleplay that into the server easily adding a special something to those who can survive in the more brutal realm.

I'm fine with raids and theft. What I'm not fine with the the frequency at which these acts take place. I'm tired of getting whispers from newer players telling me older players are stealing and killing them continually. When approached these players tend to say the same thing "People find different things entertaining, this is how I get my fun." Well if things continue to go down the road they have been this server will be filled with nihilistic, paranoid, untrusting, divided, and miserable people.

I am for more restrictions of theft/raiding or limiting how many times one can pursue such an action in a real life week. If you can only raid once a week you better make it a good one. I also dont understand most raids, as the raiders tend to say they dont really need any riches or stuff. If that's the case why dont we just build several vaults and challenge people to see if they can get in instead of damaging another's hard work and dedication.

How in the world will any of these cities/towns grow if they are under constant attack/bombardment? How beautiful loka would look if we didnt have to put up water/lava walls that muck up the horizon/landscape.

I'm coming to the conclusion that I'm not built for a pvp server and am more suited for creative/peaceful worlds and I'm starting to agree with those voices in my head. I cant handle the drama. It's like a terribly scripted Mexican daytime soap opera and I'm the mixed up policeman caught up in the middle of it all.

Whatever the decisions made are, I hope that someone empathizes with me. When it comes to the malice involved in many of these nefarious acts that people want to do to others I get a sick feeling that the actual world outside of Minecraft works on the same mechanics as well. I mean you guys/ladies arent robots you're feeling humans! Show it!

This has been a rant.

If I'm for anything it's the betterment of Loka. I dont know what direction that may be, but I've laid out several of my concerns.

ALSO:
1. I want a new rule enacted: "Respect Admins At All Times"
2. Admins should have a different color text than everyone else so we show up over all others.
3. Be careful, I will be using rule #9 quite often now so everyone be sure to make note of such things before you decide to bully others.
4. Builders need to be given a forum to show off their skills (like plots) and we need to start giving out weekly/monthly prizes for effort/design/creativity/overall activity. I want a more beautiful Loka.
5. The library needs a writing competition, as to spur more roleplaying events and add depth to the story of the land.
6. Heads can only be collected in an arena match. I would like this very much because it would truly be a trophy instead of a cheap backstabbing sorta thing. Would also prevent farming of the objects. Could post a leaderboard of those who are the most deadly in the arena with the count of heads they have gathered.


Still feeling sick so that's all I'll leave here.

 

[Zor95]

I've got a lot more to say than this one post, but here are a couple quick points:

1) I believe the main problem thieves have is that to be successful they must exploit something. Whether it be a glitch which is then banned, or a flaw in the town's defense which is then quickly patched afterward, or a player living in the targeted town, who is then kicked out. Thieves need to be able to create their own weaknesses (like with cannons).

2) Secondly, I entirely disagree with the killing of newbs and newb/noob towns. They are the reason most new players choose to stay and build their own towns. As Joc stated, they're pretty much the only targets thieves have these days. This needs to change ASAP. I might even go so far as giving each player a 1 week protection from PvP when they first join. There are plugins for it and depending on which one was used it could be turned off early if so wished.

 

[mopb3]

1. I want a new rule enacted: "Respect Admins At All Times"
2. Admins should have a different color text than everyone else so we show up over all others.
3. Be careful, I will be using rule #9 quite often now so everyone be sure to make note of such things before you decide to bully others.
4. Builders need to be given a forum to show off their skills (like plots) and we need to start giving out weekly/monthly prizes for effort/design/creativity/overall activity. I want a more beautiful Loka.
5. The library needs a writing competition, as to spur more roleplaying events and add depth to the story of the land.
6. Heads can only be collected in an arena match. I would like this very much because it would truly be a trophy instead of a cheap backstabbing sorta thing. Would also prevent farming of the objects. Could post a leaderboard of those who are the most deadly in the arena with the count of heads they have gathered.

Yes to all of these, besides the coloured text, by the gods that would look horrible and tacky

 

[JocelynReed]

Block jumping is an interesting one, i dont have strong views about it either way. I would be curious to see peoples arguments for and against it. Also i hear all the time gens are over powered but am yet to hear a way of not making them op. (i dont think gens are op)

Reason to be for block jumping:

1. It is hard to enforce the "no block jumping rule".
2. block jumping can be used for things other then raiding, such as falling in a hole in someone's gen protection.
3. block jumping is limited (most can only go 8 or so block up).
4. Block jumping will give thieves a tool back AND help decrease overpowered gens.
5. Most people don't have strong opinions regarding it.

 

[MrAlchemy]

Gens are in place to prevent griefing, no? Otherwise a thief could simply walk up to a wall and mine right through it. Who needs a cannon when you can just go right the hell on in, right? How is the right to ensure my artistic creation stays safe overpowered?

 

[mopb3]

Gens are in place to prevent griefing, no? Otherwise a thief could simply walk up to a wall and mine right through it. Who needs a cannon when you can just go right the hell on in, right? How is the right to ensure my artistic creation stays safe overpowered?

Crypt has mentioned in the past protection for monuments that would cost nothing, or it could have been Mag... either way someone said it.

 

[adderman500]

Loka needs an area where bloodshed and theft is a-ok, but not everywhere. I suggest another realm where things are a bit bloodier and evil and we could roleplay that into the server easily adding a special something to those who can survive in the more brutal realm.

If thats what we want - how about making this area the old world? We could make it so that gens aren't allowed, and it could be a land of thieves.

And I personally think we should scrap generators altogether. Cathedral can live and has lived without one and we aren't as poor as we make out - even outside the enderchests. This brings up the next point - if there is something you desperately want keeping use your enderchest, but of course this has limited space and only you can access it - it isnt public. Because of this they are well balanced. Again i re-iterate, if you want to protect something really precious to you stick it in your ender chest. Otherwise, hide anything else.

I like the idea of admins chat sticking out like a sore thumb. Works well on other servers i play on. In fact, all of the points alch said are good.

 

[adderman500]

Also, who really, truly uses their generators to protect themselves from griefers. You in particular alch, you build way out from spawn. Generators are almost purely used to protect from thieves. Hiding things is good for that too.

God the more I think about it the more I want generators gone.

 

[mopb3]

Loka needs an area where bloodshed and theft is a-ok, but not everywhere. I suggest another realm where things are a bit bloodier and evil and we could roleplay that into the server easily adding a special something to those who can survive in the more brutal realm.

If thats what we want - how about making this area the old world? We could make it so that gens aren't allowed, and it could be a land of thieves.

And I personally think we should scrap generators altogether. Cathedral can live and has lived without one and we aren't as poor as we make out - even outside the enderchests. This brings up the next point - if there is something you desperately want keeping use your enderchest, but of course this has limited space and only you can access it - it isnt public. Because of this they are well balanced. Again i re-iterate, if you want to protect something really precious to you stick it in your ender chest. Otherwise, hide anything else.

I like the idea of admins chat sticking out like a sore thumb. Works well on other servers i play on. In fact, all of the points alch said are good.

I got a better idea, leave Loka as the pvp horrible messed up raiding world, and make the old world accessible to Slicers and up, completely peaceful (still mobs and everything).

There we go, jobs a goodn'

 

[adderman500]

I got a better idea, leave Loka as the pvp horrible messed up raiding world, and make the old world accessible to Slicers and up, completely peaceful (still mobs and everything).

There we go, jobs a goodn'

Oooooo I like the sound of that!

 

[mopb3]

There we go, thread done.

 

[JocelynReed]

ALSO:
1. I want a new rule enacted: "Respect Admins At All Times"
2. Admins should have a different color text than everyone else so we show up over all others.
3. Be careful, I will be using rule #9 quite often now so everyone be sure to make note of such things before you decide to bully others.
4. Builders need to be given a forum to show off their skills (like plots) and we need to start giving out weekly/monthly prizes for effort/design/creativity/overall activity. I want a more beautiful Loka.
5. The library needs a writing competition, as to spur more roleplaying events and add depth to the story of the land.
6. Heads can only be collected in an arena match. I would like this very much because it would truly be a trophy instead of a cheap backstabbing sorta thing. Would also prevent farming of the objects. Could post a leaderboard of those who are the most deadly in the arena with the count of heads they have gathered.

I couldn't disagree more. "Respect Admins at all Times"

* respect yes, listen to their orders, no
The Admins are so different in their views. The way Zor thinks, and MrAlc thinks are at different ends of the scale.
If one admin demands 1 thing of players and a different admin feels differently we will have conflicts. No one will know which admins to follow. I for one will Admin shop, and only speak with the admins I feel will give me the answer I want. Not that I am that type of girl

* I do agree that there should be writing competitions or building competitions. Writing competitions = Asgard
Building competitions = Lotus

* Pvp area... (only beheading in a pvp area) AWFUL idea I have been on servers with pvp zones and they are awful. They tend to be camping sites for people in maxed out gear. it totally takes away the hunt and fun. I would be extremely pissed if this happened in Loka.

* Admins with different color text, oh god NO