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Suggestion Tournament bribing

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woppay

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I think that going forwards people shouldn’t be able to persuade people or bribe people to vote for their tournament. It turns the voting into a pay to win session. Where in my opinion it should be the nicest looking town/arena.

It demotivates the town which builds really nice looking tournaments just to lose to towns who pay people to vote for them all.

I don’t know how this can be prevented but could it possibly be looked into. So the rich don’t get richer and other towns have an opportunity.
 
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woppay said:
I think that going forwards people shouldn’t be able to persuade people or bribe people to vote for their tournament. It turns the voting into a pay to win session. Where in my opinion it should be the nicest looking town/arena.

It demotivates the town which builds really nice looking tournaments just to lose to towns who pay people to vote for them all.

I don’t know how this can be prevented but could it possibly be looked into. So the rich don’t get richer and other towns have an opportunity.
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it just cant be prevented cause most of this happens on discord and i dont exactly believe the staff would want to have to screenshare every single person who votes to see if they got persuaded voting just cant function like that if it was based on the "Best build" it would also be just really difficult to tell whats the best build every video does the equivalent of putting make up on with the best shaders and lightning to show its best features and will attempt to hide the stuff that doesnt mesh well or even show the full picture
 
WomanLoveWoman said:
it just cant be prevented cause most of this happens on discord and i dont exactly believe the staff would want to have to screenshare every single person who votes to see if they got persuaded voting just cant function like that if it was based on the "Best build" it would also be just really difficult to tell whats the best build every video does the equivalent of putting make up on with the best shaders and lightning to show its best features and will attempt to hide the stuff that doesnt mesh well or even show the full picture
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also what would count as persuasion if a friend dms me "vote for my tournament" is that persuasion even though id vote for them anyway like all removing persuasian would do is turn it more into a popularity contest where the town with the largest members would win the vote which im noticing the town that has the most members in this tournament cycle is the one complaining the most about this topic
 
Hatchet_Doctor said:
Tournament voting should be removed entirely, and there should be impartial Judges selected to judge quality of builds and proposed tournies, preferrably Elders. but yea at the very least players advertising giving money for votes probably shouldn't be a thing
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hard disagree everyone has a bias internally thats just basic psychology and even then people in the elder team are parts of towns and making them vote for example like Raddus if he voted for SV tournament people would call it corrupt cause hes heavily linked to SV if it was closed voting its a community tournament the community should decide, if the elders did or even just guardians and elders it would make people very angry every few months calling corruption.
 
Hatchet_Doctor said:
Tournament voting should be removed entirely, and there should be impartial Judges selected to judge quality of builds and proposed tournies, preferrably Elders. but yea at the very least players advertising giving money for votes probably shouldn't be a thing
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Remove this dudes everything and ban him while ur at it
 
WomanLoveWoman said:
hard disagree everyone has a bias internally thats just basic psychology and even then people in the elder team are parts of towns and making them vote for example like Raddus if he voted for SV tournament people would call it corrupt cause hes heavily linked to SV if it was closed voting its a community tournament the community should decide, if the elders did or even just guardians and elders it would make people very angry every few months calling corruption.
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but at least there would be a guarantee that the same group wouldnt host the tournament every year isn’t it boring to see the Ionia, Asgard, Proxima, and Riverside tournaments year after year did the other tournament host's build their structures for nothing? the Merc town system was introduced to encourage them to prioritize their towns they did prioritize their towns and built large structures but they werent even selected in the vote at least the elders have a better chance of choosing different towns
 
LightAndDqrk said:
but at least there would be a guarantee that the same group wouldnt host the tournament every year isn’t it boring to see the Ionia, Asgard, Proxima, and Riverside tournaments year after year did the other tournament host's build their structures for nothing? the Merc town system was introduced to encourage them to prioritize their towns they did prioritize their towns and built large structures but they werent even selected in the vote at least the elders have a better chance of choosing different towns
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erm well judging by the fact it was riverside 1 and proxima 2 i cant really say its year after year for those 2 towns, also you do realise with that system he suggested asgard would be more likely to be picked right? 7deevil runs the tournament side of the server with foxy and is obviously good with the elders as hes a long time guardian, everyone no matter who you are has a bias it may not be a strong one or not but basic psychology is if your presented with 2 choices and have have to go off of your subjective opinion you will more than likely vote for your friend rather than a random person or someone you dislike paying for votes is a bad system but making it so the elders choose would just make the entire community furious if a build they didnt want doesnt win
 
WomanLoveWoman said:
hard disagree everyone has a bias internally thats just basic psychology and even then people in the elder team are parts of towns and making them vote for example like Raddus if he voted for SV tournament people would call it corrupt cause hes heavily linked to SV if it was closed voting its a community tournament the community should decide, if the elders did or even just guardians and elders it would make people very angry every few months calling corruption.
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Is paying for people to vote without them even looking a the builds, or just having leaders ping their members to vote for a specific tourney based on who their friends are or other factors preferrable

Tournaments are a source of so much money for the organisers, of course people are gonna do everything in their power to rig it, which is why it should be taken out of the hands of players and put into those who dont have a stake. Think Cryptite, Foxy even any older elders that dont play that much would be perfect judges
 
Hatchet_Doctor said:
Is paying for people to vote without them even looking a the builds, or just having leaders ping their members to vote for a specific tourney based on who their friends are or other factors preferrable

Tournaments are a source of so much money for the organisers, of course people are gonna do everything in their power to rig it, which is why it should be taken out of the hands of players and put into those who dont have a stake. Think Cryptite, Foxy even any older elders that dont play that much would be perfect judges
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damnnnn cold ahh response
 
Hatchet_Doctor said:
Is paying for people to vote without them even looking a the builds, or just having leaders ping their members to vote for a specific tourney based on who their friends are or other factors preferrable

Tournaments are a source of so much money for the organisers, of course people are gonna do everything in their power to rig it, which is why it should be taken out of the hands of players and put into those who dont have a stake. Think Cryptite, Foxy even any older elders that dont play that much would be perfect judges
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but they just wouldnt this is the issue when you hand stuff to a very few of people to decide, this is when bias becomes much stronger and i know cryptite and foxy wouldnt be intentionally bias but again you cant prevent bias in a SUBJECTIVE matter, there is no right or wrong answer for a tournament build being decided people prefer styles and Cryptite would have a bias towards medieval builds which means that would be the meta and not including underlying bias's with friends that again you cant prevent no matter who you are. and yes the top one is preferable it shows what the COMMUNITY wants which is the point of the COMMUNITY festival, here is a link to the official festival page https://forums.lokamc.com/threads/welcome-to-the-festivals-forum.4106/ in this it clearly states that admins at anytime can run there own festival and that they are distinct from a PLAYER RAN festival. I do agree in a perfect world the best build wins however there is no such thing as a best build as building is subjective everyone likes different things yes some builds are sub par however lets take SV's tournament build for example its highly detailed and it looks good but in a tournament setting and ive heard this complaint from many others it may have been the best looking build in that voting cycle but it was cramped it was hard to see due to all the designs in the way of the arena and it was hard to find stalls for some people, taking stuff out of the hands of the players in one of the only things they can decide for the server directly would turn the community far more toxic and hateful towards the admins that decide tournaments because the build they liked personally didnt win.
 
introduce anarchy instead of an arbitrary vote
up to 3 tournaments at a time, with a cooldown, whoever has the best has the players show up to it
 
Asynchronized said:
maybe some low-effort but fun tourneys would show up, that aren't really pvp focused, idk 🤷‍♀️
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This is something I was talking about recently. The idea of any variety of tournament built in a town which isn't necessarily PvP orientated is nice. The only example to pull from is the alcohol festival which happened years & years ago. If anybody wanted to just have a relaxed slow paced festival I'm sure they could make loads of money and potentially easier than a tournament.
 
WomanLoveWoman said:
but they just wouldnt this is the issue when you hand stuff to a very few of people to decide, this is when bias becomes much stronger and i know cryptite and foxy wouldnt be intentionally bias but again you cant prevent bias in a SUBJECTIVE matter, there is no right or wrong answer for a tournament build being decided people prefer styles and Cryptite would have a bias towards medieval builds which means that would be the meta and not including underlying bias's with friends that again you cant prevent no matter who you are. and yes the top one is preferable it shows what the COMMUNITY wants which is the point of the COMMUNITY festival, here is a link to the official festival page https://forums.lokamc.com/threads/welcome-to-the-festivals-forum.4106/ in this it clearly states that admins at anytime can run there own festival and that they are distinct from a PLAYER RAN festival. I do agree in a perfect world the best build wins however there is no such thing as a best build as building is subjective everyone likes different things yes some builds are sub par however lets take SV's tournament build for example its highly detailed and it looks good but in a tournament setting and ive heard this complaint from many others it may have been the best looking build in that voting cycle but it was cramped it was hard to see due to all the designs in the way of the arena and it was hard to find stalls for some people, taking stuff out of the hands of the players in one of the only things they can decide for the server directly would turn the community far more toxic and hateful towards the admins that decide tournaments because the build they liked personally didnt win.
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End of the day profits aside it is just a minecraft Festival, having the judges have slight biases (for example liking medival builds more) isn't really an issue becuase it's arbritary and it's not like they benefit in the end from the result they choose different to me being a judge and giving 10 points to dawnstar, Judges work absolutely fine in numerous types of competitions which is what this is not a real life election which are much more important obviously so people take more care in who they vote

Either way, doesn't seem like Elders or comm managers are interested, so that's the end of that
 
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