Suggestion Cancel Crystals

[Haldyir]

-1 Quite the contrary on being "long overdue". They have been nerfed already?

I can see your frustration Jakeman5 and would caution a level of respect here. However, I don't agree with wanting to cancel end crystals. There are ways to avoid this as countless people have depicted. There is also another forum post talking about ending this as well with much valid conversation about it. It is my opinion, having end crystals in a battle means that people will need to alter their strategy so they don't die if they stand too close to it. I won't repeat what others have said in here because they repeat the same points I was going to bring up too.

 

[Lurnn]

Yes. However that isn’t a counter. That is just passiveness.

Ok, but it's a meta. what your asking for is a nerf towards turtle master that isn't neccessary due to lokas already existing nerfs against them.

I'd say one thing if it was overly affecting outcomes of fights, but as of right now it is not. usually an abundance of players will only waste time on a kid crystalling if they are already wiping and there is no one else to fight, this is what happened today. The fact that they aren't an issue if you are just passive means there is no need for change.

 

[jakeman5]

-1 Quite the contrary on being "long overdue". They have been nerfed already?

I can see your frustration Jakeman5 and would caution a level of respect here, however, I don't agree with wanting to cancel end crystals. There are ways to avoid this as countless people have depicted. There is also another forum post talking about ending this as well with much valid conversation about it. It is my opinion, having end crystals in a battle means that people will need to alter their strategy so they don't die if they stand too close to it. I won't repeat what others have said in here because they repeat the same points I was going to bring up too.

I completely agree, I don't want them removed. I believe that every offense should have an equally as powerful defense. That is not the case here, the notion that avoidance is a counter is false. I believe that this conclusion to just avoid a player is a terrible way of addressing a problem. If there is no way to kill a player then that needs to be fixed. If there is no way to healing yourself fast enough with pots then that needs to be fixed. Just my piece.

 

[Cryptite]

idk I still see crystalers die frequently so somebody must have it figured out.

 

[SilentStormSix]

It's hard enough potting a lot, keeping up with armor dura, placing obby, and dealing with the hordes of people critting me out so I don't think so, I think you take enough damage while under the effect of turtle master even if you brew the maximum resistance you can get from it. (ALONG WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE)

 

[FoxyBearGames]

Me and Jake had a discussion about this in DMs today and I think there's just a huge disconnect of cause and effect here. The effect of you walking up to crystals is dying, with the cause being the crystal. The cause is not crystals or turtle master, it's people not knowing how to avoid and counter it. I explained it quite simply: shoot them with a bow; back in June when I had conquest fights against The Covenant on Balak it actually wasn't difficult at all to not only get xForerunner out of place, but also get him running away, and this was without a bow entirely.

Although I am in support of them being left for the time being, a possible option I thought of would be to dampen damage through players and blocks.

Also worth noting that I think it is possible to heal yourself, but someone would need to run some numbers to confirm this.

 

[SilentStormSix]

Also shields do absorb the majority of damage from crystals (trust me I crystal enough to have people stand next to me with a shield and not die ever)

 

[jakeman5]

idk I still see crystalers die frequently so somebody must have it figured out.

When armor pops or no pots. With pots and armor they live until one or the other runs out.

 

[Haldyir]

You know I saw someone attempt to Crystal and got shot off with a Punch II god bow, and they were armed? The person who shot them off avoided death and they killed the person with the crystal. This was before Loka nerfed them. That is one of other creative ways to disable them from accomplishing their task. If you cant heal yourself fast enough proven you are already trying to kill a person with a ticking time bomb, then run away and live to fight another day? There are ways, it's not impossible. Thats the main point I am trying to drive through here. Does it add an extra level of increased challenge and stress, oh I'm sure? Jake, I don't think anyone is trying to say that we want to purposefully avoid an issue that you have raised out of malicious intent, some of your points make sense. Nonetheless, others may not simply agree with you that may or may not have been in a similar situation. Maybe a solution could be adding a 3-second timer per crystal?

 

[jakeman5]

You know I saw someone attempt to Crystal and got shot off with a Punch II god bow, and they were armed? They avoided death and were killed. This was before Loka nerfed them. That is a way to disable them from accomplishing their task. If you cant heal yourself fast enough proven you are already trying to kill a person with a ticking time bomb, then run away and live to fight another day? There are ways, it's not impossible. Does it add an extra level of increased challenge and stress, oh I'm sure? Jake, I don't think anyone is trying to say that we want to purposefully avoid an issue that you have raised, some of your points make sense. Maybe a solution could be adding a 3-second timer per crystal?

That isn't a bad idea. I don't think anyone is purposefully avoiding an issue, I am just saying that it has been neglected in the past. As the server grows this strat will continue to be more and more OP as the player density raises even further. The problem is creating a balanced counter or making crystal pvp balanced in the pot pvp realm.

 

[Z3K33]

Shields Block The damage i went to a gank Crystaled jhacar who was holding a shield out And he took no damage so -1

 

[Sihor]

Hello Loka Minecraft.

During a fight today I was killed multiple times by crystals in a bunch of cheesy ways which I haven't died to before and made me rethink the idea of avoid the crystal player (as so many people were carrying crystals). I think this is a damaging meta to Loka in so many ways as it is:
a. Spammy
b. Lacking Skill (Specifically due to how crystals work on Loka)
c. Hard to understand for new players (Due to Loka's crystals being so different from Vanilla)
d. Overpowered due to the high density of players in a confined space
e. Overall unfun. Loka is a PvP server where there is a 33% damage buff in comparison to Vanilla. Even with that you don't stand a chance versus a Crystal player with a sword.

I believe it is time to make Crystal PvP take skill on Loka. I am suggesting a damage nerf to crystals as they are now, also reverting crystals to its Vanilla mechanic of the Y level impacting damage inflicted. I also think it is time to nerf turtle pots as they are extremely overpowered right now and I witnessed 10 people attempting to crit out a crystal player that was turtle potted, and stuck in a cobweb and they couldn't kill him. Which is nuts.

I think this is long overdue. Cancel Crystals.

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Half surprised ronin didn't make this post as he died from a crystal at the fight today. But,
1. It is not just enemies getting damaged, it is the player as well as his teammates if they are close.
2. Materials for turtle master and crystals take time to grind.
3. Either break obi or just don't run in the direction of the crystaller.
There is not 50 crystalers in one fight, maybe 3 at max.
Another way to avoid is just to crit them out and do dmg to their amour well another one of their allies is nearby. The odds that they will risk killing an ally or two for one guy is slim to none. (Unless you're borker).
In Conclusion, they are good how they are, reverting them back to vanilla is asking for 2b2t players to log on. Also have we removed shields yet? No, so crystals are most likely not getting removed.
- Sihor the master of tips and tricks.

 

[nerdcat]

-1 I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say this yet but just play objective? Don’t sit next to obsidian? Listen to call outs?

 

[SilentStormSix]

Sihor the master of tips and tricks.

but thats me

 

[loayall]

+1 i will agree on everything what jake says cus he is jakeman5

 

[Wxndernut]

me thinks u should not go by men with obsidian and boom boom rocks

 

[Zaidgvv]

-1

If you want to kill the crystal pvp'er bring turtle master and crystals too you sound like a leather armoured person rolling up to a full p4 diamond guy and complaining about dying

 

[koi0001]

You guys should post one of those videos of a person doing this strat on a large group of people to give context.

Personally I think the turtle master sounds like the problem than the crystal strat.

 

[SilentStormSix]

dont know whats different about this post than the other 10 though

 

[Samisol]

just delete crystals from the game