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G0mez = Victor no more.

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Karemuz said:
How am I being judge and jury? I agreed with you it was a bad joke. People make bad jokes and it's naive to try and say that you yourself have never made an incorrect joke or poorly judged joke that you didnt regret later. You didnt get ddossed nothing happened to you thats irrelevant to this thread, If you wanna report Gomez for that make another thread or go to a guardian. This is about the Tournament and whether or not Gomez cheated.

Im aware it was about Subys, that was a mistype, my mistake. I meant Subys but I mistyped, ive been typing both these names a lot my bad I mixed them up in one scenario, also uneducated is the wrong term for the situation. You could of just said that I didnt know what I was talking about.. anyway..

1. What I said was two different sentences, next time ill seperate it into paragraphs to help you understand. When I said, "I may of missed it but can you direct me to where Gomez stated it completely changed his playstyle? Idk if its just me but multiple of your quotes have no evidence and are just things you have heard from other people that have no substance to them?" The first question was a genuine question, the second was questioning the reliability of some of your proof as such as the Fzu thing which you still havent responded to me about. That being said you're quite hostile in your responses i'm nicely asking you to tone it done with the aggressiveness, after all we're here discussing the same thing and I havent been hostile towards you.

Considering the Stromgarde tourney was a year ago and things have definitely changed within and out of the server since then I think its fair that this situation considering was very different to the last as this is its own situation and circumstance with different people and actions done.


The whole point of this thread as stated by 36s is that Gomez should be stripped of the sword and title because he cheated, that was why- thats the whole reason this thread was created and as it was soon added here Lurn, you yourself admitted that it didnt do anything in the quote below meaning this whole thing is pointless. You cant punish Gomez for cheating when he didnt cheat. Before you start calling me uneducated and claiming I dont know what you are talking about, I understand that you are saying because he had bad intentions he should be stripped of his title but I disagree. He rightfully won the title of Victor without cheating and the sword and shouldnt be stripped because he was accused of cheating. Gomez was proved to of done nothing wrong and deserves his title all because a simple placebo effect of a minecraft version was taken out of context and miscontrued to portray Gomez as a cheater when really hes just a guy who plays minecraft and liked the idea of a placebo effect helping him in minecraft.

I think its important that now we have the facts everyone can agree that since Lurnn himself confirmed he did nothing wrong, and did not cheat that he should keep his title and sword.


Summary of the facts:
Gomez is not a cheater!! Proved by Mr Lurnn!
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1: I didn't call it a joke, your not agreeing with me that it's a joke because I don't find it to be one.

2: Not knowing what your talking about, as a result of not educating yourself sufficiently on the entire situation then.

3: It's in the opening post of this thread, most of the proof is you can go back to it and see it again if you'd like, 2: me fzu and subys were all in a call, I doubt any of them are going to deny fzu was pointing out his kb had changed and jeering him about it, we were in the vc for 3 hours, If you'd like to see proof of that then sure but I don't see the need. You speak of being hostile yet your opening line of this point is quite condescending lmao, not of the matter anyways.

3: I remain by the point I've made the entire time, it's about principle and consistency, the principle was he truly believed he had a upper hand and was using it to his fullest advantage and based on previous tournaments with just SUSPICION a player may have cheated (Mario was actually proved innocent) the decision should be left up to the host, if not there will be a severe lack of consistency with these "community ran events" I appreciate staffs ability to intervene maybe now but why not before? Why has the reasoning changed.

Hosts decision like I said, he thought he had an advantage he also overall throughout this tournament did not act as an upstanding Lokan, suggesting a player should DDoS their opponents in order to win, pathetic. In my opinion it should be dealt with the same way a situation like this was last time. Without consistency rules aren't rules.
 
PartayArc said:
When Mardogaming was found using "dip" from a screen-share made by Skuhoo, the Victor rewards were given to the second-place team and Mardogaming was banned. Once Mardogaming was found innocent, he was unbanned.

This is the only time someone was stripped of the Victor title and the rewards of a 2v2 tournament.

The video for the tournament:
Recorded before the screen-share.
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I stay up all night about it
 
Lurnn said:
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I didnt want to reply to anything specific because frankly its like talking to a brick wall at this point, at least 36s was actually open to ideas. The point still stands Gomez is innocent after all of you called him a cheater continuously and it was nothing more than a placebo, like i’ve been saying this whole time. Frankly since the reason for this thread was to take his sword and title because of his “cheating” and now its been proved he didnt cheat leaving no viable reason to remove it. He shouldnt have it removed full stop. Since you are set in your own closedminded thought process I’m aware youre going to disagree but hopefully everyone else here understands since what he was accused of is wrong, it shouldnt change anything. I’m not refuting you further so dont waste your typing on responding to me any further.
 
Karemuz said:
I didnt want to reply to anything specific because frankly its like talking to a brick wall at this point, at least 36s was actually open to ideas. The point still stands Gomez is innocent after all of you called him a cheater continuously and it was nothing more than a placebo, like i’ve been saying this whole time. Frankly since the reason for this thread was to take his sword and title because of his “cheating” and now its been proved he didnt cheat leaving no viable reason to remove it. He shouldnt have it removed full stop. Since you are set in your own closedminded thought process I’m aware youre going to disagree but hopefully everyone else here understands since what he was accused of is wrong, it shouldnt change anything. I’m not refuting you further so dont waste your typing on responding to me any further.
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So because 36s's point wasn't valid no ones is? Alright I suppose, I'll let staff decide in the end all as that's the only thing any of us can do, if the choice isn't available to the hosts now I truly do believe Mardo and Lytei are both owed a champion sword and Lytei a victor title.

"after all of you called him a cheater continuously" I've done my best to actually avoid calling him one, I don't seek a ban or anything of the such as it's clear as day it's not due, but you have to look at it from a server point of view and how they've acted in the past. Consistency and principle \o/ it's what I've been saying the entire time.

Hacking and cheating are two different things, from many peoples POV what he did WAS cheating, however as I stated above personally I don't think so.

Reputation shouldn't be a deciding factor in this.

Matter of the fact is, based on what I've stated before specifically in the post above and overall, it's about principle and consistency for me, nothing more nothing less.
 
Lurnn said:
So because 36s's point wasn't valid no ones is? Alright I suppose, I'll let staff decide in the end all as that's the only thing any of us can do, if the choice isn't available to the hosts now I truly do believe Mardo and Lytei are both owed a champion sword and Lytei a victor title.
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I agree +1 i agree please +1
 
Despite the fact that these versions of optifine and forge are official versions, yall really be talking about kb when regedits exist? If messing with kb wouldnt be allowed neither would regedits yet most people in the tourney still used them but are you complaining about them? No, because you're just pissed because the brackets were designed for BITS to win but it didnt.
 
Zaidgvv said:
Despite the fact that these versions of optifine and forge are official versions, yall really be talking about kb when regedits exist? If messing with kb wouldnt be allowed neither would regedits yet most people in the tourney still used them but are you complaining about them? No, because you're just pissed because the brackets were designed for BITS to win but it didnt.
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Loka infact does not allow them!
And to educate you on how brackets work, the top seeds for the first few fights majorly fight lower seeds, this is for deeper rounds and better tournaments to be held. g0mez had to fight supa, baltha and deivi. whilst all are good players you can't sit here and say dylhns fights vs dnnh batoe and the likes were easier lmao.

An entertaining stance none the less
 
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Here are the rules that were given to us:
- No Debuff Potions or Tipped Arrows
- No bows with infinity (32 arrows max per round)
-No Crossbows
- No Firestones
- No Enderpearls
- No Thorns
- Host of the tournament will decide whether a fight will be redone if a player lags out or disconnects
-No KB swords
-No Turtle Pots
-No Axes
-No Shields

Now, I do not condone cheating as it is a way of undermining skill and hard work under fixed conditions, and I presume if you were to get him on something it would be the ddos "joke" he made. However it appears as if it wasn't so much as cheating but in fact a loophole. It seems to go without saying that you can't hack for the tournaments, but what he did wasn't hacking nor stated in the rules. I say let him keep it and just make a rule against it.

"If you ain't first, you're last!" - Ricky Bobby
 
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3. Don't Abuse Bugs
3.1. Don't abuse any bug, whether it be a bug with the game Minecraft or a feature of the server. Please report any bug found immediately using /report. Do not inform others about the bug or use it yourself.
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This is from the Rules thread by Mag. What my point was, for the sake of argument if it was to have any gameplay difference (I don't believe it does, I don't think anyone believes it isn't a placebo) it should be punishable as a loophole is just the same as abusing a bug in this scenario, especially when you take into account the idea that the person knew it would change PVP with their client.

All that being said, the proof is super sussy but I don't think anything will be done unless anything can be proven.
 
After being told the kb did not change with the optifine and forge version gomez used, I think gomez should keep his champion sword and victor title because he’s just clean, he passed ss and the forge and optifine version according to my source does not change the kb
 
Marioistrash said:
After being told the kb did not change with the optifine and forge version gomez used, I think gomez should keep his champion sword and victor title because he’s just clean, he passed ss and the forge and optifine version according to my source does not change the kb
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he meant to add on that if yall do this he deserves a champion sword and lytei deserves victor + a sword also ****
 
What are the different issues and motivations that arise in a person that he opts for hacking? Is money, thrill or something to break the rules inspires the hacker to indulge into such acts are discussed in this paper. This paper also gives you an insight to consider how important the network security plays to avoid hackers to steal away information that is very confidential. Measures are to be taken in order to remove these possibilities.

In recent years we have seen a drastic change in the field of IT, where electronic commerce, email, online shopping, online banking, information bank of numerous data, software development has improved leaps and bounds. As the technology has increased to new heights the hackers have found a way to get easy money. They find ways to get into government confidential files, personal banking details, steal away their money from the banks, implant a Trojan or virus into different computers to make them vulnerable to work. In this paper I have thrown some light on hackers skills, their perspective, their targets.

And this is why I think g0mez should keep his stuff even tho he used an unfair advantage.
 
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