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[subys]

1. Find it hard to believe you didn't see anything, but once again it's not of consequence and isn't relevant I suppose

3. i dont even know what you just said.

From the context provided it seemed as you were fighting novvi and he asked to ss you right after, but from what your saying it sounds different, honestly I don't know but even by your own screenshots this doesn't seem the truth, I may be misinformed and your screenshots may be misleading but this doesn't
sound accurate

also doesn't even matter, im just bringing up how long / when it was discovered that you were intentionally using said optifine and forge, not sure why your sticking onto the wrong facts here.

Im not even sure what you are even talking about anymore. If you wany more information on it then go ask the guys yourself. Novvi was the person i was supposed to fight for my tier test remember? you assigned it. I couldn't do it because i wasn't home. Vexaay wanted me to 1v1 novvi and ss me right after. The fight with novvi never happened and the screenshare never happened. i don't know why you would say i dodged a screenshare you know nothing about. you aren't even in the server they asked it in so i think i would know the facts a little more than you do.

anyways about Optifine and forge no one discovered if i was using it or not. i just told them about it and everyone is making a big deal out of it. 36s is gonna test if its placebo effect or not. it really felt like it changed my kb but who knows maybe im just going crazy

 

[Lurnn]

Im not even sure what you are even talking about anymore. If you wany more information on it then go ask the guys yourself. Novvi was the person i was supposed to fight for my tier test remember? you assigned it. I couldn't do it because i wasn't home. Vexaay wanted me to 1v1 novvi and ss me right after. The fight with novvi never happened and the screenshare never happened. i don't know why you would say i dodged a screenshare you know nothing about. you aren't even in the server they asked it in so i think i would know the facts a little more than you do.

anyways about Optifine and forge no one discovered if i was using it or not. i just told them about it and everyone is making a big deal out of it. 36s is gonna test if its placebo effect or not. it really felt like it changed my kb but who knows maybe im just going crazy

I just said "also doesn't even matter, im just bringing up how long / when it was discovered that you were intentionally using said optifine and forge, not sure why your sticking onto the wrong facts here. " I don't actually care about the screenshare.

Precisely, you told people about it because you knew- predating the tourney, but earlier you claimed it was completely by mistake that he was using it and unknowingly. Finding these two versions were completely by accident, finding them may have been an accident, using them to your own advantage is scummy and was no accident.

 

[subys]

I just said "also doesn't even matter, im just bringing up how long / when it was discovered that you were intentionally using said optifine and forge, not sure why your sticking onto the wrong facts here. " I don't actually care about the screenshare.

Precisely, you told people about it because you knew- predating the tourney, but earlier you claimed it was completely by mistake that he was using it and unknowingly. Finding these two versions were completely by accident, finding them may have been an accident, using them to your own advantage is scummy and was no accident.

why wouldn't you use it to your advantage. its not a loka fault its a minecraft fault. what will loka even do if you report it? ban optifine? ban forge? it just makes no sense. i dont need the forge + optifine to be good. we just knew about it. we found it out by accident a while back. like i been saying for the past 10 threads. its a minecraft version they arent gonna change the game code

 

[Lurnn]

why wouldn't you use it to your advantage. its not a loka fault its a minecraft fault. what will loka even do if you report it? ban optifine? ban forge? it just makes no sense. i dont need the forge + optifine to be good. we just knew about it. we found it out by accident a while back. like i been saying for the past 10 threads. its a minecraft version they arent gonna change the game code

Clearly you've completely misunderstood the whole argument here, I'll just copy and paste one of my posts that should help it make more sense for you.


My view on this personally from a game point / "Owner pov", is that it remains, but due to lack of consistency and well established rules on these tournaments I'm a bit stuck and leaning towards it being removed, - Please read the whole thing before attacking me.

Because yes, it sucks. He certainly did use something that he knew gave him an advantage, however I don't think we would be making the same post for someone using g7 (input lag version) winning. But since it wasn't a client and isn't against the rules, I don't think it should inherently be stripped from him.

HOWEVER, as with the Stromgarde tournament, these are PLAYER RAN FESTIVALS, the organizers / hosts of the event, within reason should be allowed to use their discretion to decide who gets the rewards in the event of what is a dodgy case / people believe it was unfair.

AND YES I know the inherent argument against this will be "well thats not fair the hosts are friends with dylhn" staff let Squid make the same choice against 2 Cov members which he both disliked and thought were cheating over his two friends TryH4rdd and Tqmen, to this day 2 legit players lost their victor and champion sword, however in a case where scum and cheats were actually used we aren't willing to do the same thing, from a game point of view as I said at the start I would say no, but based on consistency it's clear as day that if the hosts wish that it should be swapped.

p.s i may be a lil bias, the victor in question did suggest that someone should ddoss me to win their fight in the tourney \o/ !!!

So my overall argument is that, the player in question acted in bad faith, and if decided by the hosts they should be allowed to correct this mistake if they feel it is one.

 

[Lurnn]

Clearly you've completely misunderstood the whole argument here, I'll just copy and paste one of my posts that should help it make more sense for you.


My view on this personally from a game point / "Owner pov", is that it remains, but due to lack of consistency and well established rules on these tournaments I'm a bit stuck and leaning towards it being removed, - Please read the whole thing before attacking me.

Because yes, it sucks. He certainly did use something that he knew gave him an advantage, however I don't think we would be making the same post for someone using g7 (input lag version) winning. But since it wasn't a client and isn't against the rules, I don't think it should inherently be stripped from him.

HOWEVER, as with the Stromgarde tournament, these are PLAYER RAN FESTIVALS, the organizers / hosts of the event, within reason should be allowed to use their discretion to decide who gets the rewards in the event of what is a dodgy case / people believe it was unfair.

AND YES I know the inherent argument against this will be "well thats not fair the hosts are friends with dylhn" staff let Squid make the same choice against 2 Cov members which he both disliked and thought were cheating over his two friends TryH4rdd and Tqmen, to this day 2 legit players lost their victor and champion sword, however in a case where scum and cheats were actually used we aren't willing to do the same thing, from a game point of view as I said at the start I would say no, but based on consistency it's clear as day that if the hosts wish that it should be swapped.

p.s i may be a lil bias, the victor in question did suggest that someone should ddoss me to win their fight in the tourney \o/ !!!

So my overall argument is that, the player in question acted in bad faith, and if decided by the hosts they should be allowed to correct this mistake if they feel it is one.

To elaborate further, we all know its not bannable, if it was he would be banned. It's a community event, cryptite asked us to bring it to the community / forums to hash it out, and here we are.

 

[subys]

Clearly you've completely misunderstood the whole argument here, I'll just copy and paste one of my posts that should help it make more sense for you.


My view on this personally from a game point / "Owner pov", is that it remains, but due to lack of consistency and well established rules on these tournaments I'm a bit stuck and leaning towards it being removed, - Please read the whole thing before attacking me.

Because yes, it sucks. He certainly did use something that he knew gave him an advantage, however I don't think we would be making the same post for someone using g7 (input lag version) winning. But since it wasn't a client and isn't against the rules, I don't think it should inherently be stripped from him.

HOWEVER, as with the Stromgarde tournament, these are PLAYER RAN FESTIVALS, the organizers / hosts of the event, within reason should be allowed to use their discretion to decide who gets the rewards in the event of what is a dodgy case / people believe it was unfair.

AND YES I know the inherent argument against this will be "well thats not fair the hosts are friends with dylhn" staff let Squid make the same choice against 2 Cov members which he both disliked and thought were cheating over his two friends TryH4rdd and Tqmen, to this day 2 legit players lost their victor and champion sword, however in a case where scum and cheats were actually used we aren't willing to do the same thing, from a game point of view as I said at the start I would say no, but based on consistency it's clear as day that if the hosts wish that it should be swapped.

p.s i may be a lil bias, the victor in question did suggest that someone should ddoss me to win their fight in the tourney \o/ !!!

So my overall argument is that, the player in question acted in bad faith, and if decided by the hosts they should be allowed to correct this mistake if they feel it is one.

i read this, and i understood and i was just going over the other things you were talking about. i know its not bannable obviously like you said he would be banned. its just over the edge calling him a whole ass cheater. (not saying you are)

this mans rep is completely broken because someone wants a sword and title.

 

[Lurnn]

i read this, and i understood and i was just going over the other things you were talking about. i know its not bannable obviously like you said he would be banned. its just over the edge calling him a whole ass cheater. (not saying you are)

this mans rep is completely broken because someone wants a sword and title.

Hacking and cheating are two different things, from many peoples POV what he did WAS cheating, however as I stated above personally I don't think so.

Reputation shouldn't be a deciding factor in this.

Matter of the fact is, based on what I've stated before specifically in the post above and overall, it's about principle and consistency for me, nothing more nothing less.

 

[subys]

Hacking and cheating are two different things, from many peoples POV what he did WAS cheating, however as I stated above personally I don't think so.

Reputation shouldn't be a deciding factor in this.

im just saying, if this all gets settled after. its gonna be like that mario shit again. hes just gonna get called a cheater or maybe even lose friends from it. if he was cheating or not shouldnt even be the only thing that should be mentioned. i know you dont think he cheats but just from reading this thread half the community is prob thinking otherwise.

 

[Lurnn]

im just saying, if this all gets settled after. its gonna be like that mario shit again. hes just gonna get called a cheater or maybe even lose friends from it. if he was cheating or not shouldnt even be the only thing that should be mentioned. i know you dont think he cheats but just from reading this thread half the community is prob thinking otherwise.

Most of the community believed he acted in bad faith and truly did have an unfair upperhand on the rest of his opponents, they aren't wording it very well sure, any friend that stops being your friend over some people calling you a minecraft cheater is no real friend lmao.
And yes, it's likely it will be similar to marios situation, except I certainly sympathize towards marios case more considering he was 100% legit and had no advantage over any player that day.

 

[Karemuz]

Arguing this is pointless till tomorrow. The actual facts are no one has proof any of this happened, except Gomez and Suby talking about how a mix of forge and optifine and limit their kb which is not proven until 36s tests it tomorrow. " Everything is biased in life, what do you expect, g0mez is clearly your friend your biased in this argument too? Lmao. " *I messed up this reply and now i cannot fix it bc I have written a lot more its the 7th reply if you scroll down to see what im referring to* Yeah my bias is knowing how Minecraft Clients work, look through Noobville or ask 36s for screenshots from our conversation in which I explained to him Minecraft is not designed to run this way considering I have experience with anti-cheats, recognising hacking and cheating and minecraft clients in general. I'll quote to you what I said to him.

• its a theory. and until you can prove it which is very hard to do im at least 90% sure it is simply a placebo affect. i know what they use its literally just forge and optifine together no added things. its literally a placebo its close to impossible unless it was coded into the software it just doesnt work like that. thats why even skuhoo talking in noobville was trying to tell you guys it just doesnt work.
  
  
  
  
• [18:58]
  gomez and suby may of thought it did that but that being said that doesnt mean it actually does
  
  
  
  
• [18:58]
  its like if i told you to download a certain type of optifine to limit ur kb.
  
  The whole point is all of this is simply theories until the test tomorrow that 36s will be doing with the two clients supplied by Suby and Gomez willingly. Once the test is done, exactly as ive been saying this whole time, its virtually impossible for this to of happened unless suby and gomez coded their own client which they did not do.

He told another player that to win they should ddoss me, nothing else simply just that after the player said ima just try survive as long as i can vs lurnn he simply responded "just him off during the fight, if you lag out insta DQ" how you can say this is a joke with no further clarification and simply stating that is beyond me.

I would maybe entertain the idea of it being a joke if he hadn't quite literally mentioned that it would insta DQ me resulting in a loss.

That being said, that is a joke made in bad taste nevertheless, it was still a joke. Humour is, afterall subjective. Despite the joke being made still being inappropriate and stupid on Gomez behalf, nothing was actually done and that is irrelevant to the situation.

So you accepted the screenshare but then suddenly became busy? I'm confused what does those images prove

I just said "also doesn't even matter, im just bringing up how long / when it was discovered that you were intentionally using said optifine and forge, not sure why your sticking onto the wrong facts here. " I don't actually care about the screenshare.

I just would like to add I think its unfair to not accept you were proved wrong about the screenshare after continuously mentioning it in the replies above even thought Gomez provided screenshots proving he didnt actually dodge a screenshare and completely irrelevant to mention rumours or things outside of Loka that are coming from a place with no evidence or boning seen below that is just a statement that has no relevance at all and shouldnt of been said, not only disrespectful but rude.

also didn't either yourself or g0mez do dodgy stuff before you joined loka, not so farfetched when you start thinking about it.

to change his WHOLE playstyle and get used to it again to be good?

I may of missed it but can you direct me to where Gomez stated it completely changed his playstyle? Idk if its just me but multiple of your quotes have no evidence and are just things you have heard from other people that have no substance to them? Like the Fzu statement? No disrespect to you but I like facts to be substantial and visual not just something you think you heard in a discord call. It would be much appreciated if Fzu himself could agree in this thread that he has said that, until then that piece of "evidence" is not viable.

Most of the community believed he acted in bad faith and truly did have an unfair upperhand on the rest of his opponents, they aren't wording it very well sure, any friend that stops being your friend over some people calling you a minecraft cheater is no real friend lmao.

The whole problem with the cheating argument is there is still no proof, until 36s does the test tomorrow everyone should stop calling Gomez a cheater until the clients are tested and then again as I said earlier in this response there is literally no proof he was cheating. Minecraft doesnt work that way, anyone who understands clients and coding would be aware of this, as staff said its literally a placebo affect because thats what it is. Stop speaking as if he is a cheater when your proof is discord messages thats tone can be misconstrued and misunderstood. Even if Gomez and Suby used it thinking it was helping them maybe that placebo affect helped them in which if it did who cares, its not breaking any rules. If I start playing on a new version of optifine and claiming it gives me reach are my claims viable too because I said it is? My point is none of this can be proved until the tests are done so stop arguing over if hes a cheater or not until you have definitive results.

Everything is biased in life, what do you expect, g0mez is clearly your friend your biased in this argument too? Lmao.

 

[Lurnn]

Arguing this is pointless till tomorrow. The actual facts are no one has proof any of this happened, except Gomez and Suby talking about how a mix of forge and optifine and limit their kb which is not proven until 36s tests it tomorrow. " Everything is biased in life, what do you expect, g0mez is clearly your friend your biased in this argument too? Lmao. " *I messed up this reply and now i cannot fix it bc I have written a lot more its the 7th reply if you scroll down to see what im referring to* Yeah my bias is knowing how Minecraft Clients work, look through Noobville or ask 36s for screenshots from our conversation in which I explained to him Minecraft is not designed to run this way considering I have experience with anti-cheats, recognising hacking and cheating and minecraft clients in general. I'll quote to you what I said to him.

• its a theory. and until you can prove it which is very hard to do im at least 90% sure it is simply a placebo affect. i know what they use its literally just forge and optifine together no added things. its literally a placebo its close to impossible unless it was coded into the software it just doesnt work like that. thats why even skuhoo talking in noobville was trying to tell you guys it just doesnt work.
  
  
  
  
• [18:58]
  gomez and suby may of thought it did that but that being said that doesnt mean it actually does
  
  
  
  
• [18:58]
  its like if i told you to download a certain type of optifine to limit ur kb.
  
  The whole point is all of this is simply theories until the test tomorrow that 36s will be doing with the two clients supplied by Suby and Gomez willingly. Once the test is done, exactly as ive been saying this whole time, its virtually impossible for this to of happened unless suby and gomez coded their own client which they did not do.

That being said, that is a joke made in bad taste nevertheless, it was still a joke. Humour is, afterall subjective. Despite the joke being made still being inappropriate and stupid on Gomez behalf, nothing was actually done and that is irrelevant to the situation.



I just would like to add I think its unfair to not accept you were proved wrong about the screenshare after continuously mentioning it in the replies above even thought Gomez provided screenshots proving he didnt actually dodge a screenshare and completely irrelevant to mention rumours or things outside of Loka that are coming from a place with no evidence or boning seen below that is just a statement that has no relevance at all and shouldnt of been said, not only disrespectful but rude.



I may of missed it but can you direct me to where Gomez stated it completely changed his playstyle? Idk if its just me but multiple of your quotes have no evidence and are just things you have heard from other people that have no substance to them? Like the Fzu statement? No disrespect to you but I like facts to be substantial and visual not just something you think you heard in a discord call. It would be much appreciated if Fzu himself could agree in this thread that he has said that, until then that piece of "evidence" is not viable.

The whole problem with the cheating argument is there is still no proof, until 36s does the test tomorrow everyone should stop calling Gomez a cheater until the clients are tested and then again as I said earlier in this response there is literally no proof he was cheating. Minecraft doesnt work that way, anyone who understands clients and coding would be aware of this, as staff said its literally a placebo affect because thats what it is. Stop speaking as if he is a cheater when your proof is discord messages thats tone can be misconstrued and misunderstood. Even if Gomez and Suby used it thinking it was helping them maybe that placebo affect helped them in which if it did who cares, its not breaking any rules. If I start playing on a new version of optifine and claiming it gives me reach are my claims viable too because I said it is? My point is none of this can be proved until the tests are done so stop arguing over if hes a cheater or not until you have definitive results.

"That being said, that is a joke made in bad taste nevertheless, it was still a joke. Humour is, afterall subjective. Despite the joke being made still being inappropriate and stupid on Gomez behalf, nothing was actually done and that is irrelevant to the situation." So we can just make threats and say its a joke now and you will be judge and jury right? how can you say given context that, that was a joke, it's embarrassing in this community that players should be expected to be allowed to make jokes about cyber attacks and the likes, and given the context it doesn't even seem fair to call it a joke nothing around it before or after suggests it was.

The screenshare wasn't related to gomez, clearly your once again uneducated and didn't read over properly, it was about SUBYS and it was merely to prove that they were using the optifine knowingly PREDATING the tourney..

I may of missed it but can you direct me to where Gomez stated it completely changed his playstyle? Idk if its just me but multiple of your quotes have no evidence and are just things you have heard from other people that have no substance to them? - Literally go to the first post in this thread and one of the gifs / screenshots show him saying this, now sounds like YOU are just saying things without properly reading over this entire thread and then accusing me of such.

and your last point about no proof bla bla, your failing to understand why the stromgarde tourney was turned off and why this one should, "it's about principle and consistency nothing more nothing less" (i've already said this your just repeating this over and over again) he acted in bad faith overall this tourney and it should be the tourney hosts decision as in previous tourneys to once again decide. (MARDO WASNT CHEATING IT WAS PROVED INNOCENT YET SQUID WAS GIVEN THE CHOICE TO GIVE THE WIN TO TAMEN AND RONIN, AND HE DID!)

 

[_Bl00dy]

Really disappointing tbh the tourney turned out this way, but I’d agree dylan definitely deserves it. It sucks the winner was cheating but ig some people play like that.

 

[koi0001]

As a person who doesn't PVP I'd really appreciate seeing the difference this does in a video comparison.

As far if it's a 'fair advantage' it feels more like an oversight by Loka if it actually gives an advantage. This would be a glitch and not a mechanic into the game. If anything, in thst scenario you really should of reported that these mods can give you an unfair advantage.

'Anyone could of done this', that kind of thinking can be applied to literally anything and doesn't excuse abusing game mechanics. If it actually did give an unfair advantage that someone could prove I'd agree with 36s.

 

[Lurnn]

As a person who doesn't PVP I'd really appreciate seeing the difference this does in a video comparison.

As far if it's a 'fair advantage' it feels more like an oversight by Loka if it actually gives an advantage. This would be a glitch and not a mechanic into the game. If anything, in thst scenario you really should of reported that these mods can give you an unfair advantage.

'Anyone could of done this', that kind of thinking can be applied to literally anything and doesn't excuse abusing game mechanics. If it actually did give an unfair advantage that someone could prove I'd agree with 36s.

Upon some testing the kb is the same, possibly placebo but just based on standing still and getting hit, I landed in the exact same spot on both versions(tested on EU Vultex) So I had low ping, to me it would seem as a placebo if anything.

 

[kiadmowi]

how was cov even thought of being worth mentioning in this situation that has nothing to do with cov

 

[nerdcat]

All I see are huge walls of text….

 

[Qfu]

Loka

 

[Karemuz]

So we can just make threats and say its a joke now and you will be judge and jury right?

How am I being judge and jury? I agreed with you it was a bad joke. People make bad jokes and it's naive to try and say that you yourself have never made an incorrect joke or poorly judged joke that you didnt regret later. You didnt get ddossed nothing happened to you thats irrelevant to this thread, If you wanna report Gomez for that make another thread or go to a guardian. This is about the Tournament and whether or not Gomez cheated.

The screenshare wasn't related to gomez, clearly your once again uneducated and didn't read over properly, it was about SUBYS and it was merely to prove that they were using the optifine knowingly PREDATING the tourney..

Im aware it was about Subys, that was a mistype, my mistake. I meant Subys but I mistyped, ive been typing both these names a lot my bad I mixed them up in one scenario, also uneducated is the wrong term for the situation. You could of just said that I didnt know what I was talking about.. anyway..

Literally go to the first post in this thread and one of the gifs / screenshots show him saying this, now sounds like YOU are just saying things without properly reading over this entire thread and then accusing me of such.

1. What I said was two different sentences, next time ill seperate it into paragraphs to help you understand. When I said, "I may of missed it but can you direct me to where Gomez stated it completely changed his playstyle? Idk if its just me but multiple of your quotes have no evidence and are just things you have heard from other people that have no substance to them?" The first question was a genuine question, the second was questioning the reliability of some of your proof as such as the Fzu thing which you still havent responded to me about. That being said you're quite hostile in your responses i'm nicely asking you to tone it done with the aggressiveness, after all we're here discussing the same thing and I havent been hostile towards you.

nd your last point about no proof bla bla, your failing to understand why the stromgarde tourney was turned off and why this one should, "it's about principle and consistency nothing more nothing less"

Considering the Stromgarde tourney was a year ago and things have definitely changed within and out of the server since then I think its fair that this situation considering was very different to the last as this is its own situation and circumstance with different people and actions done.

G0mez cheated during the tournament by using a optifine and forge version that HE KNEW would reduce his KB giving him an advantage above others (it essentially a different type of net limiter).

g0mez's point was "everyone has the same opportunity to do it" ok everyone can also hack doesn't mean its allowed. I'm talking context here. He cheated in a TOURNAMENT. (HE DIDNT HACK, HE CHEATED).

The whole point of this thread as stated by 36s is that Gomez should be stripped of the sword and title because he cheated, that was why- thats the whole reason this thread was created and as it was soon added here Lurn, you yourself admitted that it didnt do anything in the quote below meaning this whole thing is pointless. You cant punish Gomez for cheating when he didnt cheat. Before you start calling me uneducated and claiming I dont know what you are talking about, I understand that you are saying because he had bad intentions he should be stripped of his title but I disagree. He rightfully won the title of Victor without cheating and the sword and shouldnt be stripped because he was accused of cheating. Gomez was proved to of done nothing wrong and deserves his title all because a simple placebo effect of a minecraft version was taken out of context and miscontrued to portray Gomez as a cheater when really hes just a guy who plays minecraft and liked the idea of a placebo effect helping him in minecraft.

Upon some testing the kb is the same, possibly placebo but just based on standing still and getting hit, I landed in the exact same spot on both versions(tested on EU Vultex) So I had low ping, to me it would seem as a placebo if anything.

I think its important that now we have the facts everyone can agree that since Lurnn himself confirmed he did nothing wrong, and did not cheat that he should keep his title and sword.


Summary of the facts:
Gomez is not a cheater!! Proved by Mr Lurnn!

 

[Marioistrash]

You’re crazy if you guys think im reading all that

 

[kiadmowi]

You’re crazy if you guys think im reading all that

don't worry man i have the SparkNotes summary for you

>g0mez hack

>no

>yes

>no

>maybe yes

>no

>he meant to yes

>yes but no

>might be placebo but still yes

>no